Housing Ownership Restrictions

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Here's what Castab inserted that showed him to be an incredibly dishonest person:

Well that was a pretty low thing to do. Yikes.

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Here's what Castab inserted that showed him to be an incredibly dishonest person: -> *Show's that Catstab added "[I want your house taken away so I can have it]" to Almagnus's statement regarding why having houses taken away is no big deal*

Well that was a pretty low thing to do. Yikes.

Alright, apparently it's time to explain how brackets work. When a quote you use adds to an earlier statement, or responds to a question, it's common to re-add that content paraphrased within brackets so your audience doesn't have to re-read absolutely everything to understand the quote.

Example:
Interviewer: Do you like waffles?
Subject: I do.
Published quote: "I do [like waffles]" - Subject

Here is the text I paraphrased for context.

SE should auto demolish all houses owned by an account except for the one bought first.

Almagnus says her FC tried very hard to move to 'Kurogane' and deserves a reward for their efforts in the form of a house.
Almagnus also says it's not a big deal if current house owners get their houses deleted, because those houses aren't rewards.

I took the last statement of 'the house isn't a reward anyway' and added the context of 'so you should be ok with SE deleting yours so my FC can have it as their reward' which is paraphrased from her previous two statements.

Therefore, what I did was not dishonest, and it was not low. Thank you for your baseless insults. I hope this lesson in middle school reading comprehension has been enlightening.

Anyway, it still stands, Almagnus, that you have directly contradicted your own argument.

You say your FC worked hard and deserves a reward in the form of a house. You also say it would be easier for the homeless players and FCs to get houses if people who have alt-houses lost the houses they worked for. You explain that this is fair because 'houses aren't rewards.'

Houses cannot simultaneously exist as rewards for your FC's effort, but simple 'items, like a chocobo' for other people. This is the part where every point you've made so far fell apart. Why don't you respond to that logical argument, instead of calling me dishonest. Since, put plainly, that is an incorrect assertion.

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Well that was a pretty low thing to do. Yikes.

But speaking on behalf of Japan and their people to elevate yourself in a conversation on assumptions you got from a few pokemon games and a youtube video wasn't low at all. Yikes.

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But speaking on behalf of Japan and their people to elevate yourself in a conversation on assumptions you got from a few pokemon games and a youtube video wasn't low at all. Yikes.

Yes you're correct. I learned everything about Japanese culture from a Pikachu card. You have found out my secret. Oh no.

Here is the text I paraphrased for context.

The context you placed was your personal opinion on what the person was saying. Not that anything I say would ever inspire you to admit that ;D

EDIT: I am referring to where you essentially accused them of wanting to take away your house so they personally can have it instead.

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The context you placed was your personal opinion on what the person was saying.

No, it wasn't.

SE should auto demolish all houses owned by an account except for the one bought first.

This is Almagnus saying current players houses should be deleted.

I write that players worked for those houses and shouldn't lose them. She quotes that line and says this in response:

Do you realize how many hours members of my FC spent trying to relo to Kurogane, including trying to relo the FC house from Mist to Kurogane only to have nothing?
I imagine they're not alone, and there are probably others in the same boat as well.
Are you suggesting they should be compensated for their efforts?
Besides, the house itself is not a reward. You complete no quests to get it, you just walk over to the placard and pay for it. In other words, it's an item. Yes, you can do a lot with it, but at the end of the day, it's no different to your character than your chocobo.

This is Almagnus saying her FC worked hard and deserves a reward in the form of a house at their desired location, and simultaneously saying that houses cannot be considered rewards by people who would lose them under her proposed solution.

To say "Almagnus wants player houses deleted for the direct benefit of herself and her FC" is not twisting her words at all. It's a summary of her stance.

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No, it wasn't.

Unless you can provide proof that they actually said they want a house that belongs to you personally for themselves, then it was.

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Unless you can provide proof that they actually said they want a house that belongs to you personally for themselves, then it was.

Do you not even read their posts? Jeez. It's like several people in this discussion want nothing but to be antagonistic. Go elsewhere for a fight, since it's damn clear you've lost days ago.

In any case, Almagnus. Let's make it pretty clear what you're aiming for and how that changes with your statements.

1. You want people who own multiple houses (Specifically those that own private housing on alternate characters) to lose their houses, claiming they do not deserve them and that releasing .05% of the housing plots would magically fix everything. This is grossly out of the question. People shouldn't lose what they earned through legitimate channels and effort because some other insignificant spec on the radar demands to be above them.

2. You want FCs who own multiple houses to give up all but one of their buildings and the housing system in its entirety to have new rules that reflect your personal desires, going to the point of punishing people in the Now for following the rules in the Past. No. That's insane. Again, the issues you continue to claim are "ruining housing" isn't ruining it. Things you claim that are against the rules aren't actually against the rules. Nobody is breaking any terms with what they are doing and demonizing people for selfish acts is, once again, beyond stupid. Basic human nature and everyone, no matter who they are or what they say, act selfish quite a number of times every day to the point that it's an unconscious act, given it's so ingrained in human nature.

There is no clear-cut "solution" to housing at present, purely because of a serious lack of information on SE's side of things. Before Stormblood, the housing was fine and dandy. But with sudden population booms and the cry for people to get everything they want whenever they want it (completely ignoring the main concept of housing being a prestige or optional luxury) which has lead to topics like that that refuse to listen to anything but their own voice.

There is no guarantee that housing CAN be fixed. SE can open new wards, to the point where every player can have a house, but then more people will return to FFXIV and thus, render it a useless solution as there will always be more people coming over because of said system, only to cry that they can't have it right now. Continuing to ignore the entire damn point of Apartments Not everyone wants Instanced Housing. Even SE has said "No" to instanced housing, purely because they want the Neighborhood feeling. Not some random building kept in the void.

There is only so much SE can do before something snaps. Given the majority of their playerbase couldn't care less about housing, it's not going to get any serious touch-ups until SE have a large lull in work (which won't happen, mind!) to be able to put people onto such a project.

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Well that was a pretty low thing to do. Yikes.

And now that they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar, there's no point in talking with them further because it's clear that all they want to do is demonize someone that thinks differently from them.

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And now that they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar, there's no point in talking with them further because it's clear that all they want to do is demonize someone that thinks differently from there.

You've lost your last leg to stand on in this debate, so you've resorted to insults. Ignore me all you want, but you directly contradicted yourself and I proved it. This thread is dead, yet here we all are, practicing our necromancy.

Maybe that could be a new ff14 class, next expansion? We did get one in the new 4 man.