Unreal trials being a little bit too Unreal for no reason?

[Curisu]

I like the unreal Shiva.
It feels like doing her with min ilvl but because of all the new utility it's much easier.

Also, there are nearly no reasons for a DPS to die when you have 2 decent tanks.
The DPS check is also fine and when I did it with my static we have seen the enrage just once with 1%, but we also nearly wiped twice and had to use a healer LB3 that try.

[Wilford111]

I also had a lot of unsuccessful pug groups in the last couple weeks, but the difference really is night and day when you get matched up with good players vs bad/inexperienced players. My first and second clear had multiple deaths and we still cleared the fight. My two clears for this week also had deaths yet we still cleared it. Especially my second pug group, the clear felt easy.

So yes, this fight is perhaps way too uptuned for newer players, which it may be aimed at. But for people who are experienced with extreme/savage, the fight feels just right (in my opinion)

[Sarnai]

I see people are getting the wrong ideas and maybe it was my sleepy brain to blame.

The difficulty level of Shiva and clearing it is not as much of a problem for me, I'm ok with it being "harder" content and having a "good" partly to clear.

But I dont really see any reason to do it even once per week, since it really doesnt reward you with anything 90% of the time.

And oh

Nope, unreal difficult means lv 50 extreme synced to lv 80 extreme. Nothing changed. Basically the ARR trials now are easy, because players have more experience and knowledge on more mechanics. If with 3 death you get enrage, try to improve yourself (the party) and u'll get more easily



That's a problem of players, not the trial, maybe you/others don't even use food/pots like usually do on Savage/Extreme (not that pots are useful here), but you know, everyone play in a differente style and must bring patience.

If synced ARR content is being this unnaturally hard to clear while the actual lvl 80 extreme content is being so laughably easy in comparison, while being basically the same (boss with set attack patterns that have random rotation), then there may be something wrong. Maybe it was a "hardcore" content of ARR but I somehow refuse to believe that it was so unforgiving back then.

And once again, there is more reason for me to wipe 10 times and clear once on SoS EX, than doin the same on Shiva Unreal sadly.

[Absurdity]

If synced ARR content is being this unnaturally hard to clear while the actual lvl 80 extreme content is being so laughably easy in comparison, while being basically the same (boss with set attack patterns that have random rotation), then there may be something wrong. Maybe it was a "hardcore" content of ARR but I somehow refuse to believe that it was so unforgiving back then.

And once again, there is more reason for me to wipe 10 times and clear once on SoS EX, than doin the same on Shiva Unreal sadly.

It obviously wasn't so difficult back then because it didn't sync you to minimum ilvl, I didn't do Shiva myself back then since I barely played in ARR but from what I've heard the dps check was barely a problem when it came out because people basically already overgeared it. That's the thing with syncing it to such a low ilvl, people's melds are nonexistent and crit values are atrocious at 435. You do not have the added HP and DPS buffer of better gear so mistakes can easily lead to deaths which lead to even lower dps from healers having to get people back up and those people having weakness. Combine this with a non-existent barrier of entry since someone who just hit 80 and has no idea how to play their job can still join and you have a recipe for disaster.

The DPS check is also fine and when I did it with my static we have seen the enrage just once with 1%, but we also nearly wiped twice and had to use a healer LB3 that try.

This is the key point, with your static. I would expect an organized group to have very little issue with an extreme trial, I can't say the same about pugs. This is normally where gear makes up for the lack of coordination or players that are just playing below average, with the ilvl sync you do not have that kind of leeway.


This is why I really don't get the justification for the terrible ilvl sync. The current extreme fight is more "new player friendly" than the unreal fight is, simply because there is more room for a new player to make mistakes and still beat the fight.

[Puremallace]

People complained for harder content so they got it. The type of people who would clear Shiva Unreal really can care less about the gear.

[Miminming]

People complained for harder content so they got it. The type of people who would clear Shiva Unreal really can care less about the gear.

tge problem is Its not even hard, just long and dull fight...
most people want hard exciting fight not just 5 repeated gimmick...

[HeulGDarian]

I just wish that a reward for it wasnt you can redo the fight to do another faux.
As for difficulty, there is none besides dps. It says more about the dps playerbase than about the fight itself.
And with that said Yoshi-p ACCESSIBILITY changes did nothing to help people become better, pls revert them and instead try to make a decent tutorial. Bad dps doesnt mean new player and new player doesnt mean stupid player.

[DrWho2010]

this really is just a matter of people needing to git gud to do your twice weekly clears efficiently.

[Liam_Harper]

The difficulty is fine, the rewards aren't worth it. It's not a particularly interesting or epic fight long term and after months of grind all you get is a reskinned ARR pony.

Was good fun for a once and done but certainly won't be farming it.

[DrWho2010]

rewards are subjective. some people want them, others don't. but you can't fault the devs for trying something new. whether it gives you personal traction/satisfaction, one also shouldn't actively try to discourage others that want to do said content just because it doesn't appeal to them personally.