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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    No, Lightwardens contain aether. They have physical bodies that must be killed before the aether goes out of them. You don't know how long white auracite can contain the aether, and there's also the question of whether or not we could still teleport in a stable manner with an unstable aetherial vessel in possession. If you're going by the specially designed soul vessels that work off of a similar principal to white auracite, those weren't made yet, and then run into still more issues of whether or not they'd even imbibe the aether of a Lightwarden, since they aren't living entities.


    There's also the issue of, white auracite is supposedly rare.

    As for Storge, it's sort of like a take on a biblical description of an angel, and Storge is some old greek word for familial love. The original forms of Lightwardens are Ascian designed monsters, some of which were killed by something else, hence how we know what happens when one dies, prior to us killing any. Titania and possibly the Cerberus from Qitana Ravel killed original form Lightwardens and were contaminated(though only Titania is really confirmed 100% on that note).
    Semantics. All living beings in the universe of XIV are aether. The ARR quest "What little Gods are made of" already explains the cycle of death and rebirth as aether given new shape once a being has passed on. You also don't know if auracite can't be teleported and even if it can't the aether itself could still be drawn into multiple vessels at any given time, because as I mentioned before, Urianger created one in such short notice only after we failed to properly contain the light, as a way of dealing with Emet. You also don't know it couldn't contain the aether even though that is the purpose of the auracite to begin with. Killing an Ascian's body and draining their aether into it.

    Again, if it could briefly contain a fully joined Ascian (14/14) as it was supposed to with Emet, then i'm all but certain it could contain a single warden for much longer. As we did (9/14) with five, however briefly it was that we did.



    I know some of the wardens are named after words for Love. I'm saying all the others kept something of the form that was taken over. I just feel pity for who or what it was before. An elemental maybe as others appear as Sin Eaters in the area (Forgiven Bribery and Forgiven Vainglory). Which begs the question if you believe elementals are able to be wardens since they are pure aetherial spirits and don't really have a body as they are just beings that form themselves when they wish. If it was an elemental, was it possible for it to become a warden without a vessel to fill? Theoretically, some of the Fae are just spirits of the deceased as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riastrad View Post
    Urianger created one in such short notice only after we failed to properly contain the light
    Incorrect. He created the auracite before we had even arrived, predicting that Ascians would come to stop anyone preventing the Rejoining. It's part of the reason he was in Il Mheg, since it is apparently the most aether rich region in Norvrandt thanks to the Fae and aether rich regions are necessary to make white auracite. He shows us the auracite when we first reunite with him in the quest "Unto the Truth" and it is the same one that is later splintered by Thancred to stake Emet in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    Incorrect. He created the auracite before we had even arrived, predicting that Ascians would come to stop anyone preventing the Rejoining. It's part of the reason he was in Il Mheg, since it is apparently the most aether rich region in Norvrandt thanks to the Fae and aether rich regions are necessary to make white auracite. He shows us the auracite when we first reunite with him in the quest "Unto the Truth" and it is the same one that is later splintered by Thancred to stake Emet in place.
    Well ya got me there, good eye. Here's a like.

    Except he sure made a decent amount when we needed to find a way to get the Scions back to the Source, which only happens after we recruit Beq Lugg. Granted at the time he had help, but then again he always should have had help. And boy did they crank them out. It still stands to reason he could have made more than one in the interim while all the Scions went their separate ways for years. Remember Moenbryda? She made the concept and delivered one in a few days along with the means to draw aether in to create a blade of light. What was his excuse?


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    Truly I apologize to the OP for derailing this thread. If I had known that mentioning auracite would spawn two pages of off topic discourse, I would have just not.
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    Last edited by Riastrad; 08-20-2020 at 09:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riastrad View Post
    Again, if it could briefly contain a fully joined Ascian (14/14) as it was supposed to with Emet, then i'm all but certain it could contain a single warden for much longer. As we did (9/14) with five, however briefly it was that we did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Riastrad View Post
    Remember Moenbryda? She made the concept and delivered one in a few days along with the means to draw aether in to create a blade of light. What was his excuse?
    Remember Moenbryda indeed - but you seem to have forgotten the details of her explanation.

    See cutscene 2 of "A Simple Plan". She didn't make it in a few days; she was already researching white auracite, brought a sample with her and is ready to conduct "final tests".

    She is also clear that the auracite cannot retain aether for long. This is demonstrated when they later use it to reactivate the beacon at Snowcloak with the Scions' combined power - all have to be present in the cave and infuse the auracite with their aether immediately before it is used. That is, it can't hold a few humans' easily-given infusion of aether for more than a few seconds. To try to store a Lightwarden's entire essence in it would be pure foolishness.

    White auracite is simply not a storage device. It stuns and traps Ascians for just long enough that we can defeat them before they break out again.

    I will have to review exactly what was said about the soul vessels but they are clearly a modified concept, and designed to carry a willing soul rather than trap one that wishes to escape.

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    On your side note regarding the Wardens' names, three are named after the concept of the Four Loves: Philia (friendship), Eros (romance/desire) and Storge (empathy/affection); by deduction Titania - being the prior name of the host rather than the Warden itself - should be Agape (unconditional love).
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