Tank Stances and WHY???

[SingularBanana]

How difficult it must be to press one button at the start of an Instance. /s

DNC has to target and then press Closed Partition, AST has to press a specific sect button, and they also need to press their Draw button, NIN needs set up Huton, DRG needs to press BotD before combat, MNK needs to get their Meditation stacks and Form Shift before combat, almost as if other jobs also have to press stuff at the start of a duty.

People complaining about requiring to use a couple brain cells at the start of a duty is just sad. Pressing buttons is not difficult.

Well, pretty much everything you have mentioned is DPS with the exception of AST. AST's sects aren't available at level 10. Tank role's responsibility is a little more than just "hit harder" and without the tank stance being on, it is quite possible to get a party member killed easily. Regardless of that, though, tank stances are all available at 10. Meaning there's no reason to turn them off. Downsyncing and disabling abilities that aren't available at the level to which you're downsync'd is one thing. Disabling an essential role action that is never not available for group content is, honestly, silly.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Well, pretty much everything you have mentioned is DPS with the exception of AST. AST's sects aren't available at level 10. Tank role's responsibility is a little more than just "hit harder" and without the tank stance being on, it is quite possible to get a party member killed easily. Regardless of that, though, tank stances are all available at 10. Meaning there's no reason to turn them off. Downsyncing and disabling abilities that aren't available at the level to which you're downsync'd is one thing. Disabling an essential role action that is never not available for group content is, honestly, silly.

My point was, it doesn't matter what level you get sync'd down to, other jobs outside the tank role will get affected by it too, in one way or another, it's not a tank only thing to deal with.

In all honesty, this to me, sounds like a, "I'm bad at the game, please hold my hand some more, because I might forget to press one button." It really doesn't take much thought process to put your stance on when you get sync'd down, and usually becomes a habit over time. Besides, what's the actual worst thing that's gonna happen, your group is gonna wipe, big whoopdie do, s*** happens, back to the start you go and you'll remember it next time.

I swear some people make it sound like life and death, it's only a game.

[SingularBanana]

My point was, it doesn't matter what level you get sync'd down to, other jobs outside the tank role will get affected by it too, in one way or another, it's not a tank only thing to deal with.

In all honesty, this to me, sounds like a, "I'm bad at the game, please hold my hand some more, because I might forget to press one button." It really doesn't take much thought process to put your stance on when you get sync'd down, and usually becomes a habit over time. Besides, what's the actual worst thing that's gonna happen, your group is gonna wipe, big whoopdie do, s*** happens, back to the start you go and you'll remember it next time.

I swear some people make it sound like life and death, it's only a game.

I think you like to be argumentative. Have played the game for many years and I think it's silly that you're trying to say I'm bad at it because there's something that could be done that makes no sense not to do. You get sync'd down and lose access to abilities that aren't available at the level to which you're sync'd. Tank stances are never not available for group content. That's my point. It's far from game breaking and it's not a "life or death" thing, it's irritating that it's disabling an ability that shouldn't be disabled.

Maybe I'm only complaining about it in a tank sense because I don't do other roles often enough to see other things drop off.

[Kurando]

If you synced down, all buffs we removed including tank stance, ast sect, monk fist stance etc, there was no exception in Stormblood that's why players would often have to reapply stuff on entry. Should be second nature to check stances and stuff though when going in to duties, little personal responsibility.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I think you like to be argumentative. Have played the game for many years and I think it's silly that you're trying to say I'm bad at it because there's something that could be done that makes no sense not to do. You get sync'd down and lose access to abilities that aren't available at the level to which you're sync'd. Tank stances are never not available for group content. That's my point. It's far from game breaking and it's not a "life or death" thing, it's irritating that it's disabling an ability that shouldn't be disabled.

Maybe I'm only complaining about it in a tank sense because I don't do other roles often enough to see other things drop off.

I mean that is one of the points of forums is it not, raise points as to counter an OP post, that way it does not become an all too common thing of an echo chamber.
I do find this thread pointless and complaining about a non issue just for the sake of complaining. Especially when it's an issues resolved simply by pressing your stance button after you get sync'd down.

[SingularBanana]

I mean that is one of the points of forums is it not, raise points as to counter an OP post, that way it does not become an all too common thing of an echo chamber.
I do find this thread pointless and complaining about a non issue just for the sake of complaining. Especially when it's an issues resolved simply by pressing your stance button after you get sync'd down.

Then, may I ask, why you're bothering replying? It's fine to raise objections, I don't have issue with that, but calling me lazy or bad because I think it's something small that could be easily fixed isn't exactly an objection, it's just insulting. I'm raising it as an issue because it's an annoyance. I love this game, 100%, and have played for many years. Don't see a problem with mentioning issues I have with it.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Then, may I ask, why you're bothering replying? It's fine to raise objections, I don't have issue with that, but calling me lazy or bad because I think it's something small that could be easily fixed isn't exactly an objection, it's just insulting. I'm raising it as an issue because it's an annoyance. I love this game, 100%, and have played for many years. Don't see a problem with mentioning issues I have with it.

Sure, it's quite simple, over the years, the games reliance on player awareness has eroded away to the point where, that hand holding is rife throughout the game, and becomes too easy.

Asking SE, to make an adjustment because you forget to press one button is another example of, "SE can you please fix this even though, as a player I can fix it myself quite easily."

Pretty much I have the belief that more agency should be placed in the player rather than asking for SE to fix every minor to non issue "problem", that can be resolved through player awareness. That way devs can actually fix real problems.

[ZeSeKa]

I hate that Iron Will/Defiance get automatically turned off. Granted, it's not a problem to turn it back on, but if you just wanna rush through a leveling DGN you can sometimes forget it. Then again, someone will probably remind you during or after the first pull.

[SingularBanana]

I hate that Iron Will/Defiance get automatically turned off. Granted, it's not a problem to turn it back on, but if you just wanna rush through a leveling DGN you can sometimes forget it. Then again, someone will probably remind you during or after the first pull.

That's really my point, exactly. It's not a matter of laziness or being a bad player and it's not HARD to turn it on - I have it hotkeyes for that reason - it's just that sometimes it's easy to forget. And yes, lol, often will get reminders on that first pull.

[Vyrerus]

The reason we still have tank stance is due to the fact that they want to make content that requires more than one tank. It's the easiest way to handle enmity. Binary solution. Either you're getting the aggro modifier or you aren't. If tanks just generated enmity naturally, while we do have tools to make sure one is more consistently MT, it would lead to problems with tank swap mechanics.

It's really not a problem, and it's not too much to ask of you as a player. Before this you had to also pay attention to and use the skills that had enmity modifiers on them several times to build sufficient enmity. If you could do that, with this same "problem" still existing(whoever said it was taken out in Stormblood has misremembered), then you can surely handle this much easier system. If you want to completely delete the responsibility of tanks, then you might as well delete tank.

As others have said, it's simply following the programming rules of all job based buffs. They are wiped on sync. Just accept this small responsibility. It's the least they've ever asked of tanks.