Somebody needs to sit Yoko down....

[Liam_Harper]

I thought this was a lot easier than Copied factory. I have had zero wipes/abandons on Puppet's Bunker so far. I didn't find many of the fights that interesting either even as a NieR fan it felt pretty boring.

I found the exact opposite and this was harder than Copied Factory. Factory mechanics were all easy to figure out blind. Bunker has a few that aren't too straightforward (but seem easy once you do realize the trick). I still don't feel I have every Bunker mechanic figured out for certain.

Still not "too hard" by any means. I think player expectations have become a bit warped by how any content below EX is viewed as a faceroll free win. They expect a one-shot run with easy mechanics and become frustrated when they can't seem to figure it out. It's absolutely normal to die week one in here. I've been seeing plenty of Savage players getting wrecked by all sorts of mechanics in both Bunker and the new Trial on Normal.

[Absurdity]

Still not "too hard" by any means. I think player expectations have become a bit warped by how any content below EX is viewed as a faceroll free win. They expect a one-shot run with easy mechanics and become frustrated when they can't seem to figure it out. It's absolutely normal to die week one in here. I've been seeing plenty of Savage players getting wrecked by all sorts of mechanics in both Bunker and the new Trial on Normal.

That's because if they don't get their easy 1shot they complain until SE changes it, just look at Orbonne Monastery. You can not convince me that the Thunder God was in any way more difficult than the 2nd, 3rd or 4th boss in the Puppet's Bunker.

[Krotoan]

My very first run on release night we cleared with no actual full wipes. LOTS of people died. LOTS of resses were needed. However every mechanic is obvious once you've died to it once.. and realistically dying is a MINOR setback at worst. You have at least 2, probably more resurrections in your party, quick travel teleports and plenty of time to complete the encounters.

Getting all fusfusted because omg you died to a mechanic once is silly. That's how a dungeon is figured out. You don't wanna die ever? Wait (I think it was 8 hours) and someone will have posted a tutorial online you can watch.

It's part of the fun of the new runs to learn mechanics together and that moment of "BLAM!" *alliance dead* "Uh... so don't stand there" is one of my favorite parts of new instances.

It's been the practice for years that the first parties to complete dungeons need to learn the "science" by throwing bodies at it. Considering there is next to no punishment for dying in this game.. what is the complaint?

[Stepjam]

That's because if they don't get their easy 1shot they complain until SE changes it, just look at Orbonne Monastery. You can not convince me that the Thunder God was in any way more difficult than the 2nd, 3rd or 4th boss in the Puppet's Bunker.

I mean it kinda was just because multiple mechanics were lethal to more than just the person messing up. There were at least two mechanics that could cripple/wipe the whole raid if handled wrong. Namely the dark balls and the stack pads. If either of those mechanics were handled wrong, the entire raid suffers. In Puppets Bunker, I can't really think of any mechanic that's likely to destroy the entire raid if only one person messes up aside from maybe the tank buster lasers on fight 3 if the tank decides to face it towards the group.

[Shurrikhan]

The raid is generally pretty bad, full of cheap jebait mechanics. But latency shouldn't be a problem.

Honestly this. They're mostly just less intuitive recopies of old, oft-disliked mechanics, making for some oddly dull fights for all the raid series' hype. But at no point will latency cost you the ability to dodge them.

[Absurdity]

I mean it kinda was just because multiple mechanics were lethal to more than just the person messing up. There were at least two mechanics that could cripple/wipe the whole raid if handled wrong. Namely the dark balls and the stack pads. If either of those mechanics were handled wrong, the entire raid suffers.

Yes they do punish the whole raid but they're so incredibly simple and easy to understand that you really should only wipe to them once if people actually pay attention. Wiping once in a 24man is not that big of a deal that it required to be nerfed into the ground to the point where people can completely mess these two mechanics up and you're still perfectly fine.

[Stepjam]

Yes they do punish the whole raid but they're so incredibly simple and easy to understand that you really should only wipe to them once if people actually pay attention. Wiping once in a 24man is not that big of a deal that it required to be nerfed into the ground to the point where people can completely mess these two mechanics up and you're still perfectly fine.

Oh sure, I was sad that they nerfed thundergod. But it is a more deadly fight than anything in the current tier. Not that the current tier is boring IMO.