Hunts and Trains; please fix the Hunts!

[Cursix]

Easy big brain solution, do hunts without the train.

Great idea except I've tried that. Some folks setting up the next train came by and told everyone to stop attacking the A rank and wait for hunt. When we didn't listen, they came in used the mechanics of the A rank to get it to leave its agro range, constantly resetting it until it was time for the train.

[Jojoya]

Great idea except I've tried that. Some folks setting up the next train came by and told everyone to stop attacking the A rank and wait for hunt. When we didn't listen, they came in used the mechanics of the A rank to get it to leave its agro range, constantly resetting it until it was time for the train.

You should have reported them.

As far as SE is concerned, marks are kill on sight. No player has the right to interfere with other players trying to kill something. That's obstruction of game play under the ToS. SE has and will ban players who are found to be resetting marks already engaged by other players. It's something we warn members of the hunt community about every time the subject of sniping and resets comes up.

If I'm out scouting and see someone trying to kill a mark, I'll let them know a train is planned soon and they might want to consider waiting for the train to save some effort. Then I'll wish them a good day regardless of what they choose to do. I will never tell them they must stop and leave it for the train. I'll circle back around after I finish scouting and see if it's dead or not. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

The train will be just fine even if there are only 9 or 10 instead of 12. If anyone whines about sniping during one of my trains or in one of my linkshells, I'll point out they're still getting those 10 kills and the others only got 1 or 2 so they have no reason to complain.

I might prefer that people wait for the train but if someone wants to kill outside of the train, they have that right.

[Cursix]

Well I was just able to get an A rank without a train. Got a few people to show up. But some of the regular train folks showed up and started shaming us for not waiting. This highlights another problem with trains; they think they have the right away to the hunts and that somehow my decision to attack a hunt hurts a whole bunch of people. Not everyone wants to use the train nor is there a "right" way to handle the hunts.

But my intent here wasn't really to start a whole train vs non-train debate. I wanted to highlight that during initial patches especially when they release stuff for the hunt marks that they need to put some sort of limitation if the game engine can't handle the load.

[Jojoya]

I wanted to highlight that during initial patches especially when they release stuff for the hunt marks that they need to put some sort of limitation if the game engine can't handle the load.

The limitation is already there for what the game engine can handle. That's the 300 player per instance limit. Once that limit is reached, you're not going to get into that zone unless another player leaves it.

Any remaining problem is on the player end, not SE's. SE can't control where players choose to congregate once they've entered a zone. If the player chooses to join a crowded train with a couple of hundred players at the same map location, that's on them. SE doesn't provide the hardware or internet connection the players use. Again, that's the player's responsibility.

People need to use common sense. If someone is struggling with the reset day trains, they should wait until later in the week. Nothing says we have to cap on Tuesdays. Thursday, Friday and Sunday trains are quieter than Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday trains. Monday trains tend to be quiet as well, though trains run in the last few hours before reset can get busy if people had put off capping for the week. Players who have the option of running trains in off peak hours are better off doing that than trying to join the prime time trains.

[tdb]

People need to use common sense. If someone is struggling with the reset day trains, they should wait until later in the week. Nothing says we have to cap on Tuesdays. Thursday, Friday and Sunday trains are quieter than Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday trains. Monday trains tend to be quiet as well, though trains run in the last few hours before reset can get busy if people had put off capping for the week. Players who have the option of running trains in off peak hours are better off doing that than trying to join the prime time trains.

Cap what? There's no cap on the hunt currencies AFAIK. Though I guess people who have capped their tomes and got their other weekly loot are less likely to log on just for a hunt train.

[Cursix]

The limitation is already there for what the game engine can handle. That's the 300 player per instance limit. Once that limit is reached, you're not going to get into that zone unless another player leaves it.

Any remaining problem is on the player end, not SE's. SE can't control where players choose to congregate once they've entered a zone. If the player chooses to join a crowded train with a couple of hundred players at the same map location, that's on them. SE doesn't provide the hardware or internet connection the players use. Again, that's the player's responsibility.

No, that is on SE. The game client is part of the system and it is clear that the client cannot handle 100 people around the same hunt. They list the minimum system requirements, so long as you meet that, it is not on the player. This is a limit of the engine and as a result SE needs to place reasonable restrictions so everyone can participate in the content.

[CookieHunter]

I miss the days where I would shout an A or S rank and the people would come. It was always very exciting when I found one Now its like why bother calling it? nobody will come. This community really know how to suck the fun out of things and make things "convenient"

please continue to shout. there are many of us who are willing to go. and many who enjoy the hunts the way it was meant to be hunted.

too bad we are not on the same world. In tonberry, the trains are really toxic and salty. which is why i never shout and just kill it with whoever is online..
Does not matter whether you find the mark first or spawn it, the A train will appear when the mob is 20-50% hp and harass, threaten and aggro reset.

[RTX3080]

I don't normally complain but I felt something needed to be said. A hunt train was just called in my world; there was so many players participating in the hunt that the A ranks would not render for me half the time and trying to teleport to the next aetheryte often got aborted with an error for "Congestion". Sadly a good number of folks running the trains were not only from other worlds, but also saying in chat that the Trains are going as fast as they can and will not wait for no one, even those having loading/server issues. "No time to wait on slow ppl" was one thing that was said.

I know its a back and forth thing if those in other worlds should be able to go to another world and participate in the hunt. There are pros and cons overall, but right now with the new content and obvious counter measures deployed by SE already like instanced Areas like Lakeland, there should be at least a temporary restriction on the hunts if there is nothing technical that can be done to fix these issues. It is not fair to the residence of a world that they cannot participate and get credit on their own hunts and the attitude of some players that won't show courtesy to others just makes it worse.

There could be other solutions to try and mitigate the massive surges that these trains cause; perhaps decreasing the spawn time of the A ranks at a minimum to reduce the need for the trains in the first place or provide alternative ways of getting hunts. I don't know what else can be done on the technical side of things, but giving the history such as restricting access to the firment, SE should look at least look at a temporary restriction.

Hunt trains aren't intended by the devs

[Xeros_cl]

Need to bump here not to complain about the trains but about the way the game is coded to render things.

Maybe if the game give priority to mobs and our own party there would be no problems. The PS5 do a great job and is welcomed improvement, but is moot if the marks can't be seen becuause there are 200+ people there

[ReynTime]

Cross world hunts were a mistake, in my opinion. Way too many people in an area at once. If we had a more efficient way to filter who we see I suppose it'd be one thing, but we don't. A lot of MMOs have a setting that lets you choose the number of players you can see at any given time like 12, 20, 50, etc. FF XIV would benefit from such a feature, I think.

Agreed but not only for this reason.