Hunts and Trains; please fix the Hunts!

[Infindox]

I've been attempting to do some hunt trains lately just to speed up getting nuts for tome gear upgrades and it's... Been mixed.
I appreciate the people who do trains that wait a minute each area and make sure it's not congested so everyone can get there. But a lot of them were "join and if you can't get there, don't bother". Which sounds like it would only be a lower end system problem, but I have a brand new gaming computer and even mine struggled to get me there at times because the aetheryte would become congested, even from accepting a teleport from a party member. I've noticed there's been a few "locals only" trains and these run smoothly, and remind me of when I did trains back in Stormblood before the cross world. I like hunts, I just wish they weren't such a mindless pain in the ass to deal with.

[Ardeth]

I've been attempting to do some hunt trains lately just to speed up getting nuts for tome gear upgrades and it's... Been mixed.
I appreciate the people who do trains that wait a minute each area and make sure it's not congested so everyone can get there. But a lot of them were "join and if you can't get there, don't bother". Which sounds like it would only be a lower end system problem, but I have a brand new gaming computer and even mine struggled to get me there at times because the aetheryte would become congested, even from accepting a teleport from a party member. I've noticed there's been a few "locals only" trains and these run smoothly, and remind me of when I did trains back in Stormblood before the cross world. I like hunts, I just wish they weren't such a mindless pain in the ass to deal with.

I miss Stormblood hunts so much. It's gotten to the point on my server where only the first mark gets a grace period. Every subsequent mark is attacked as soon as it has loaded. I have a ssd and while my computer isn't amazing I can barely keep up with even hitting the mobs let alone if they disappear on you.

Something needs to give on the issue of cross world data centers, because if it's rolled out the same as cross world then hunts are going to become a clown fiesta.

[Kuro_Matsu]

I'm gonna have to agree with this. Having so many people from different servers go into a "free-for-all" mode of these hunts trains is quite irritating. Even with a decent PC loading is still an issue for the server as if too many begin teleporting at once, it has to stop some from entry; and this more often than not makes you miss some marks. Also the culling is bad even when you're right under the mark's arse it disappears and becomes un-targetable/ or deselects it even if you still see it. My lag isn't that bad even when having a horde of people in the instance (which is surprising for me - I still have this game on an HDD).

But even worst than this is the trolls of others servers now have access to the whole DC. We had a guy from Goblin kill S Ranks on site by finding it first (with illegal software) for months. He's gone quiet for a bit, but I haven't gone to any trains/ old S Ranks for a while now. Not sure if they are back to their old game. I honestly just stopped conducting or spawning S Ranks. I feel like my hours of hard work just go to waste.

I don't look forward to DC visits. We are working on an honor system since, yes, it's not TOS to kill hunts before others get there, it's just common decency. I just wish everyone was less about "me" and more about the group when it came to these things. But I digress.

[Canadane]

Cross world hunts have made normal hunt trains go into slow-mode to allow more people to show up and that's just a downward cycle that feeds on itself.
While hunt trains as an idea is a questionable thing already, I'm not one to bite the hand that feeds. They were fine for a long time, a quick trip around the world for some easy tomes.
But now there's conductors that will intentionally send people the wrong way in order to delay the killing to allow more and more players to pack into the zone. All it really does it stop local players from accessing the zone, both hunters and people that just wanna go about their business.

If you wanna disrespect what hunts are and create a train, then bullet train it. I've essentially stopped hunting due to this.
Unfortunately it's player made issue based on a SE made problem. While it's the conductors right to set up as they please, they can actively make the game unenjoyable for some depending on how they do it.

[Deceptus]

I think a CD on world visit might be in order to mitigate this issue but I'm sure the playerbase would disagree with that.

[ItMe]

I think a CD on world visit might be in order to mitigate this issue but I'm sure the playerbase would disagree with that.

I world visit to do so many things and hunts is, like, 5% of that.
Adding a cool down would just interfere with all the other activities that benefit from world visiting.

[Jojoya]

Cross World already borked them. I can only imagine how awful Cross Realm will be.

We aren't expecting Data Center Visit to impact hunts much because of the additional delay in logging out, requesting the data center transfer, waiting for it to be done, then logging back in. That will make it useless in the case of S ranks (unless someone is going cross data center to try to spawn), and probably not worth the effort in the case of trains when there's likely a train ready to run on the player's home data center.

I think a CD on world visit might be in order to mitigate this issue but I'm sure the playerbase would disagree with that.

A CD would be a step backwards in what the visit system was created to accomplish. Players are using world visit for far more than just hunts.

With respect to hunts, world visit isn't really the problem. It's also offered benefits to the community since players are no longer tied to being online at a certain time to join the train. If you miss your world's train, you can always join another world's train. If you play in off peak hours, more players will be attending so the train only takes 30-40 minutes instead of 2 hours.

The problem is how lucrative trains are when it comes to getting clusters, nuts and tomestones. There's no effective limit on how much you can earn in a day or week (outside of the weekly top tier tomestone cap) so there are players that will chain run 7-8 trains a day to gear up alt jobs faster and to make gil, which causes the congestion.

If we were limited to rewards once a day per Rank A, train congestion would reduce considerably because there would be no point in running the additional trains unless someone was farming kills to get their hunt mounts (which is a relatively small percentage of those attending hunts). There would still be the heavy congestion during the first 2-3 weeks of a major patch because a lot more players who normally don't take an interest are trying to farm their gear upgrades and/or clusters for their overmelds but that's nothing new.

It's amazing how many long time members of the hunt community have forgotten the same problems existed even before world visit was added and that some of the things we do now to deal with congestion were tricks we developed to deal with congestion when worlds were still isolated.

[Infindox]

I think a CD on world visit might be in order to mitigate this issue but I'm sure the playerbase would disagree with that.

That would interfere too much with normal things people use World Visit for. I usually hop around to see MB prices or go to events on another server.

[Ardeth]

The easiest least effect on players doing it fix would be to remove their ability to get credit for the hunt mark. That would be the best solution. Either that or restrict the Wanderers to main city's and housing districts and to me that kinda destroys the social aspect of it. I think removing their credit and contributions to hunts would solve the issue 100%.

[LaylaTsarra]

There is no need to restrict wanderers. The conductors have the option to keep their trains private and not ping them crossworld. We go through this everytime they have an upgrade token.