Hunts and Trains; please fix the Hunts!

[Soupa]

Which is the problem for a lot of people - they don't want to spend 8-10 minutes for 10 Allegory, 20 Phantasmagoria, 30 Poetics and 40 Sacks of Nuts when they can spend 20 minutes and get 120 Allegory, 240 Phantasmagoria, 360 Poetics and 480 Sacks of Nuts.

Sounds like SE should implement some anti-hunt train measures tbh.

[Cursix]

Easy big brain solution, do hunts without the train.

Great idea except I've tried that. Some folks setting up the next train came by and told everyone to stop attacking the A rank and wait for hunt. When we didn't listen, they came in used the mechanics of the A rank to get it to leave its agro range, constantly resetting it until it was time for the train.

[Jojoya]

Great idea except I've tried that. Some folks setting up the next train came by and told everyone to stop attacking the A rank and wait for hunt. When we didn't listen, they came in used the mechanics of the A rank to get it to leave its agro range, constantly resetting it until it was time for the train.

You should have reported them.

As far as SE is concerned, marks are kill on sight. No player has the right to interfere with other players trying to kill something. That's obstruction of game play under the ToS. SE has and will ban players who are found to be resetting marks already engaged by other players. It's something we warn members of the hunt community about every time the subject of sniping and resets comes up.

If I'm out scouting and see someone trying to kill a mark, I'll let them know a train is planned soon and they might want to consider waiting for the train to save some effort. Then I'll wish them a good day regardless of what they choose to do. I will never tell them they must stop and leave it for the train. I'll circle back around after I finish scouting and see if it's dead or not. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

The train will be just fine even if there are only 9 or 10 instead of 12. If anyone whines about sniping during one of my trains or in one of my linkshells, I'll point out they're still getting those 10 kills and the others only got 1 or 2 so they have no reason to complain.

I might prefer that people wait for the train but if someone wants to kill outside of the train, they have that right.

[Cursix]

Well I was just able to get an A rank without a train. Got a few people to show up. But some of the regular train folks showed up and started shaming us for not waiting. This highlights another problem with trains; they think they have the right away to the hunts and that somehow my decision to attack a hunt hurts a whole bunch of people. Not everyone wants to use the train nor is there a "right" way to handle the hunts.

But my intent here wasn't really to start a whole train vs non-train debate. I wanted to highlight that during initial patches especially when they release stuff for the hunt marks that they need to put some sort of limitation if the game engine can't handle the load.

[Jojoya]

I wanted to highlight that during initial patches especially when they release stuff for the hunt marks that they need to put some sort of limitation if the game engine can't handle the load.

The limitation is already there for what the game engine can handle. That's the 300 player per instance limit. Once that limit is reached, you're not going to get into that zone unless another player leaves it.

Any remaining problem is on the player end, not SE's. SE can't control where players choose to congregate once they've entered a zone. If the player chooses to join a crowded train with a couple of hundred players at the same map location, that's on them. SE doesn't provide the hardware or internet connection the players use. Again, that's the player's responsibility.

People need to use common sense. If someone is struggling with the reset day trains, they should wait until later in the week. Nothing says we have to cap on Tuesdays. Thursday, Friday and Sunday trains are quieter than Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday trains. Monday trains tend to be quiet as well, though trains run in the last few hours before reset can get busy if people had put off capping for the week. Players who have the option of running trains in off peak hours are better off doing that than trying to join the prime time trains.

[Tlamila]

Thing is, if you do A ranks separately, you're screwing a train for hundreds of people.

[ACE135]

Thing is, if you do A ranks separately, you're screwing a train for hundreds of people.

Hunts were not designed for hundreds of people.

[LaylaTsarra]

Hunts were not designed for hundreds of people.

Been running hunts for the longest time. They're fine. You don't adjust content because of a bump in the road. The frenzy will die down soon enough. Morning trains especially often suffer from too few people. The whine and moan is because right now everyone wants their upgrades like 500 gear is so much more important than 490 gear for casual content.

The same rush happened for poetics when relics first hit. That quickly subsided as well.

Serious people have been at 500 ilvl for ages anyway, and other players can just run the weekly nier to upgrade.

Maybe they should just remove the weekly cap on the coins for the Nier raids since there is none on hunts. Doesn't really make sense if you think about it. Keep the gear drops weekly. Personally I run A trains for the allegory to cap my characters. The other stuff is a bonus really.

[Liam_Harper]

Some of the comments need to relax and stop overthinking this.

They know we do Hunt trains. They don't need to remove all the rewards, nor do we need to chew through them in little anti-social 8 mans. Even if you miss half the hunts on a train due to lag you're getting tons of tomes and Nuts. The train organizers are doing good work for the community. You just have to roll with the chaos for a week or two, hop on the trains anyway and you'll do fine. There are definitely flaws with the Hunt and tweaks they could do to make it more enjoyable but lets not overreact.

[Fhaerron]

They should just remove the tome upgrades from the nut rewards.


Serious people have been at 500 ilvl for ages anyway, and other players can just run the weekly nier to upgrade.