Quote Originally Posted by hiz View Post
I was always talking about optimization and optimized scenarios, which in my opinion prog does not fall into.
Mm, okay, I initially didn't get the impression they were talking about optimized scenarios, but I fact checked myself and saw they explicitly mentioned them- then, yeah, prog wasn't part of that discussion. Nevermind on that part.
Still, some of those attacks felt like they went a bit too far. I do think you made a valuable thread- the only way to properly ensure feedback gets listened to is to coordinate the same message across all communities, or we just get Pagos map design. Main point is, I worry that positive-change ideas could struggle to gain traction if their advocates have a rep for biting.




Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
Sabrenn implied Lady was of use even in optimized play. Hiz posted a piece of evidence to the contrary.

There's really no need to juice it for all the "elitist!" angle it can be misconstrued for...
To be clear, I'm not against "elitism (textbook definition- just someone who wants to get better and prefers company with similar goals)" and do try to advocate against "elitism (connotation in which the speaker is actually communicating 'this person told me I'm not perfect and I don't like that.')" hiz came off sounding pretty strong, and the misconstruing wasn't too deep of a reach, I don't think.