Thread: Everything wrong with 5.3 AST sleeve draw [Translated JP duplicate thread]

Originally Posted by hiz

In addition I'll make a few remarks:
"meaningful cards for different scenarios" - this is a fallacy. All cards were strictly inferior to AoE Balance, therefore there was no meaning for other cards to exist in optimal gameplay. You played the other cards as a compromise to bad RNG, and you still never played Bole, Spear or Ewer (because, who would ever depend on RNG dependent buffs/resoureces?).

"old Lord and Lady was good because every card was good" - ...really? Old MA was arguably the worst part of the old iteration for several reasons:

1. You NEVER needed Lady, because when you optimize healing you would never rely on an RNG dependent oGCD heal. Since you build your healing without the Lady, drawing the Lady was zero gain. In the rare case where I could hit MA without lowering PTDPS the Lady icon was the last thing I wanted to see.
2. Drawing and throwing Lord was no indication of player skill whatsoever, but you still had to pray for it when you hit MA because it existed. Good riddance of horrid RNG!
3. You had players sub-optimally spam MA to draw a million Lords instead of trying to buff the party.

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Of course cleric too, that's a given for all healers however.

Bole was good if you were padding a dps because it's 150% potency increase of a balance card. Spear was good as an aoe pre-pull because it meant you could do your re-opener faster. Later on, it became a good alternative to balance if you had AOE and balance didn't appear. Ewer was good when your co-healer messed up (which I wrote above but I guess you didn't understand what I meant by "yep, co-heal messed up and went out of mana card." Also Ewer was always good because it was the -50% pot AOE royal road card.

Single target cards were better IF YOU GOT LUCKY. 4 100% potency correct cards on the correct 4 dps IS a dps increase over general -50% potency dps buff on ALL. It was very risky strat that's why I said "if you got lucky and had perfect cards for each dps in the party"

Of course lady is not the best out of lord/lady but there had to be a risk/reward and getting lady just meant one less gcd on someone.

If you are actually going to tell me that you didn't gcd heal back then, then I don't believe you even played AST when it came out and have nothing else to add to this thread because you don't understand where I'm coming from and never had this experience.

I'm not sure if you remember old AST opener or if it was different on JP, but we used to fish for aoe balance + lord pre-opener. In Zurvan pre-spear change from cd reduction to crit I remember using AOE spear in the opener for a faster re-opener.

About 1: You never needed Lady no, but it saved a gcd. That's a gain.
About 2: Drawing Lord was not skill no, it was a bonus. As it should be. If you want to play Fate without having to deal with the randomness I'm not sure what you expected from a tarot-based job to be honest. I enjoyed the thrill of getting the perfect run with perfect cards. Like gambling, when you win big you feel great and when you lose you don't feel so good.That's what AST felt like to me. And it's gone. You enjoy non-RNG and because of people like you, people like me lost their RNG job. You're allowed to not want RNG as much as I'm allowed to want it back. So if you complain about current AST losing cards, to me it feels a bit hypocritical because you already got your RNG removal and are complaining that other people are getting what they wanted, when people like me are still longing for the original job we fell in love with.

Do you see my point of view here?
About 3: I thought we were talking about optimized scenarios. You could say that about any job being played wrong. That doesn't mean anything.