Thread: Everything wrong with 5.3 AST sleeve draw [Translated JP duplicate thread]

Originally Posted by Heilstos

That we ALWAYS have to wait 30 seconds for the cards before the pull. I already had it because I usually used an MA card (King or Queen) as the first card in prepull. So so group had to wait 30 sek anyways.

Why you would ever play MA first is beyond me, that's just flat out wrong. You wanted your seals as fast as possible for Divination, and you need your MA as filler in order to replace duplicate seals after a Redraw. Far too many people got the old opener wrong despite it being readily available and intuitive, making it harder than it should've - for example not using Lightspeed during the opener in order to weave more cards.

Regardless you never HAD to wait 30s before the pull - you always had AT LEAST 4 cards, now if you want a Divination in the opener you have to wait.

Originally Posted by Crushnight

Ik people are harping on Ast for the now seemingly forced waiting, but if you are caring about full optimisation then your already waiting 30 secs for Dnc, most groups won't do it because it is such a pitiful gain that it isn't worth it but technically Dnc was antithesis to Sch's aetherflow long before this patch happened, it is just Ast's Divination is more valued, but just wanted to point out it isn't a new thing with Ast that runs contrary to why Aetherflow was restricted the way it was.

Ok sure, I think myself and a few others have clarified what exactly the problem is on this matter, but I will give it here again.

Originally Posted by hiz

We also now need to wait prepull for Draw recast in order to use Divination for opener, which feels bad in PF context.

Originally Posted by owolett

Regardless you never HAD to wait 30s before the pull - you always had AT LEAST 4 cards, now if you want a Divination in the opener you have to wait.

For DNC, I don't play the job myself but as far as I am aware precasting or not precasting Standard Finish has no effect whatsoever on its rotation nor its party buffs (as you have mentioned yourself already). The issue here is that for AST it is physically impossible to cast Divination without waiting prepull, unlike DNC that is unaffected rotation-wise whether they precast Standard Finish or not.