Thread: Everything wrong with 5.3 AST sleeve draw [Translated JP duplicate thread]

Keep new SD.
Reduce CD to 120s.
Give it 2 charges.

I don't buy the "3 cards is more complicated than 1 card so it's better" argument.
If 3 cards was so great, why not ask for it to give 5 cards?
Even harder! Even better!

I would be fine with the 5.05-5.2 Sleeve Draw if they updated their targeting system for controller players to allow better smoothness from player to targets.

SE however has not updated this system since launch and likely to never do so, as such I want 5.3 Sleeve Draw to remain, I would much rather have the annoyance of Divination is delayed due to early pull than what I had to deal with since 5.0.

Yes this is very much a situation where not everyone can be happy just like 5.X healer design in general, just like those that voice discontent, I will voice approval for this change until a better system is offered.

Originally Posted by Canubirt

Sooo, even though I am a Scholar main i need to point out something that has been brought up a few times for astro, the whole waiting 30 seconds for draw thing... You do realize that the reason sch cant get aetherflow before combat was due to that right? This change will likely in the not so distant future make it so you wont be able to draw outside of combat. I hope you all are excited for that...

Aetherflow was upwards of 45 sec to a minute tho. with most pull timers being used around 15-20 seconds you are potentially waiting less time on the draws then you are on aetherflow.

Ya since sch had the quickened aetherflow trait so it really wasn't that much of a big deal for them. Smn, however, did need that long 30 seconds cause they didn't have trait which was instead the enhanced enkindle back then. I remember al the ucob pulls after we got to golden where we had to wait for the cd on our smn's aetherflow.

THat being said, as long as it's a coordinated effort, it's not too bad but that's still asking a lot from pf groups.

Ik people are harping on Ast for the now seemingly forced waiting, but if you are caring about full optimisation then your already waiting 30 secs for Dnc, most groups won't do it because it is such a pitiful gain that it isn't worth it but technically Dnc was antithesis to Sch's aetherflow long before this patch happened, it is just Ast's Divination is more valued, but just wanted to point out it isn't a new thing with Ast that runs contrary to why Aetherflow was restricted the way it was.

Hiz I am the kind of player this thread is targeting.
I am a self described min maxxer, who spent a number of years contributing theory crafting to multiple popular guide sites when I was raiding in WoW.
I actively keep myself in the top ranks of 2 different FPS, and held glad in WoW, and stayed in the top ranks of GW2 Spvp (they changed the rank names since I played last) for a quite litterally years.
I don't have the free time to theory craft anymore, but I still play with the same mindset, I love having a variety of tools at my disposal that give me a ton of options to optimize, I love finding uses for niche skills, I love highly complex and high APM gameplay.
While I agree that the dumbing down of jobs across the board hurts the game far more than it helps it, I do not think the old Sleeve Draw is worth bringing back. I did not find it remotely stressful to assign the cards it gave me, but that doesn't make it a well designed ability.

People who are highly competitive in games, people who enjoy squeezing the most of out a game, and enjoy complex engaging gameplay generally still want things to have a flow.
The old Sleeve Draw, was clunky, it wasn't difficult to use in my personal experience, but it was awkward which is more important.
The new Sleeve Draw is an improvement, its still not a great skill, it can definitely be improved, and it shows very clearly that the job designers have a very clear disconnect with how their players actually use skills.
But it is still better then what we had.

Originally Posted by Angelic_Dropout

While I agree that the dumbing down of jobs across the board hurts the game far more than it helps it, I do not think the old Sleeve Draw is worth bringing back. I did not find it remotely stressful to assign the cards it gave me, but that doesn't make it a well designed ability.

People who are highly competitive in games, people who enjoy squeezing the most of out a game, and enjoy complex engaging gameplay generally still want things to have a flow.
The old Sleeve Draw, was clunky, it wasn't difficult to use in my personal experience, but it was awkward which is more important.
The new Sleeve Draw is an improvement, its still not a great skill, it can definitely be improved, and it shows very clearly that the job designers have a very clear disconnect with how their players actually use skills.
But it is still better then what we had.

I am failing to understand. I apologize for my low level of English proficiency, but I find it difficult to parse your intentions when you employ words like "flow", "clunky" and "awkward" without really saying what exactly you are referring to. In our original post (and a few subsequent posts of my own) I feel we concretely laid out what exactly was our problem with this new iteration of SD. May I request you do the same?