Thread: Everything wrong with 5.3 AST sleeve draw [Translated JP duplicate thread]

More cards = more fun. AST's main gimmick is giving away cards after all.

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Seems SE is going to make some people unhappy one way or another...

True, but perhaps they should be making the people who enjoyed AST happy. The people who liked playing the "busy" healer with its complex openers and rewarding optimization. We have WhM as the simple healer and ScH as an in-between. They could put their focus into developing and polishing 3 unique playstyles instead of destroying them.

It's a bad idea to try and please the crowd that doesn't actually enjoy a class. The people who want bits of AST, like its mobility or it's incredible healing, but don't want to play the class itself to get that. The only option there is ripping the class away from its fans, gutting it and then handing it over on a plate to the people who didn't even like it that much and probably still won't like it long-term.

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

True, but perhaps they should be making the people who enjoyed AST happy. The people who liked playing the "busy" healer with its complex openers and rewarding optimization. We have WhM as the simple healer and ScH as an in-between. They could put their focus into developing and polishing 3 unique playstyles instead of destroying them.

It's a bad idea to try and please the crowd that doesn't actually enjoy a class. The people who want bits of AST, like its mobility or it's incredible healing, but don't want to play the class itself to get that. The only option there is ripping the class away from its fans, gutting it and then handing it over on a plate to the people who didn't even like it that much and probably still won't like it long-term.

This was MCH folly, As a old MCh main i cannot for the life of me enjoy this toothless job anymore and was satisfied with 4.0 burst damage and double bullet procs 4.0 had such massive room for improvment but they dumed it down to please people that never leveled the thing resulting in a wave of "new" mains. Every job has its own strengths some are easier than others trying to please everyone by trivializing the job ruins what made it stand out. As whats going on wit Astro. it makes me scared of any potential rework im glad Astro has such negative reception as well as a few other jobs maybe theyll learn... or not and continue to shave off the job until its reduced to 2 buttons, watch out monks yall next

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

This is a kind of interesting contrast to the many complaints of AST having too much to do/too much micromanagement, which have been vocalized pretty often on these forums. Seems SE is going to make some people unhappy one way or another...

"Micromanagement can feel a bit too convoluted given poor controller target-selection, an unintuitive design to Redraw, unnecessary animation times, and latency affecting each of said oGCDs in typical twice-ping fashion" =/= "We just plain don't like micromanagement above a level about... yee high."

Originally Posted by Heilstos

The people who want to undo the change can only be told that changes have to come, otherwise a job cannot develop further. And for my part, I am satisfied that you are flexible and my concerns that cards will now be eliminated, but I say that it is up to divination to get these falling rDps out.

You are misunderstanding the point of this post. We don't care that AST DPS was nerfed, if anything that was the right thing to do to balance it with DPS contributions of its counterparts. Its HOW they did it. We are pointing out that adjustments that heavily penalize people that try hard are both demotivating and ineffective.

We have suggested alternative options of how to improve QoL for those that found old Sleeve hard while not ruining the game experience for more skilled players. Please read it again and have a think.

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

It isn't.

The rankings for the new patch are in. AST still outDPSs every tank and every other healer. The exception being, of course, if you look at the top 3 or so logs. But, for actual percentiles, AST is still on top.

You are making no sense. How is losing 2 cards per 3 minutes not a DPS nerf? What matters if it still outDPSs other jobs, it's still a nerf is it not? And what makes you think logs post partition at this point are in any way indicative of job strength when pretty much no top tier player has pulled properly yet?