Thread: SCH QOL changes for 5.35/5.4

Just a question, because I didn't play SCH much during SB and thus don't remember everything anymore. What are the things that the playerbase dislike about the current SCH, aside from not liking how 80% SCH's DPS options got removed? I'm not trying to say SCH is good now, I really just don't remember all that anymore.

I only remember that when I had a SCH as co-healer, they either had their Faerie on auto, or only used Selene during progression and never help with healing. I somehow only remember the bad things. xD

I remember how you could use your pet actions during casts, but in turn you can't have your faerie on auto now.

1. Selene got completely deleted, she's now a glorified glamour
2. The fairy has extremely low potency and takes your gcds to do things- pet commands are almost pointless. Seraph is a repackaged Rouse but incredibly glitchy (ghosting, double casting, a crippling healing bug that only just got fixed, faulty timer)
3. At the start of 5.0 Energy drain was deleted, and was only added back begrudgingly because it broke the job
4. Dps kit and support kit got completely removed. Excessive homogenisation and skill cutting for no discernable reason other than SE wants pure healing which is not fit for ff14's gameplay, playerbase and lore.
5. Art of War and most of its shield potencies are shit. Though shields in general suck this expansion
6. The levelling kit is awful, when you unlock scholar now, your hotbar empties. It doesn't even remotely fill until 60
7. Most of its new skills are repackaged old or removed skills. While this is an unfortunate part of shadowbringers, its especially notable on scholar

Thanks! I only started to play SCH again this expansion (I main WHM and wanted a second healer for some variety and dislike the new AST cards). I think in SB I once used AST in Seiryu or Suzaku ex, I remember how we used Selene for Fey Wind pre-pull or so?

One thing that got better though is that you can't have your Faerie on auto anymore. Art of War is ok to me, it feels better to spam than Miasma II to me. And we have less button bloat, meaning I like the number of buttons we have now. But I'm sure they could have solved that without deleting all DPS spells...

Originally Posted by Recon1o6

1. Selene got completely deleted, she's now a glorified glamour
2. The fairy has extremely low potency and takes your gcds to do things- pet commands are almost pointless. Seraph is a repackaged Rouse but incredibly glitchy (ghosting, double casting, a crippling healing bug that only just got fixed, faulty timer)
3. At the start of 5.0 Energy drain was deleted, and was only added back begrudgingly because it broke the job
4. Dps kit and support kit got completely removed. Excessive homogenisation and skill cutting for no discernable reason other than SE wants pure healing which is not fit for ff14's gameplay, playerbase and lore.
5. Art of War and most of its shield potencies are shit. Though shields in general suck this expansion
6. The levelling kit is awful, when you unlock scholar now, your hotbar empties. It doesn't even remotely fill until 60
7. Most of its new skills are repackaged old or removed skills. While this is an unfortunate part of shadowbringers, its especially notable on scholar

Two things I want to add:
Aetherflow is only usable in combat now. It's obvious to everybody that the reason for that change is that only the complaints of deeps jobs about "other jobs making me wait pre-pull, wuhhhh" got listened to, so we got punished for having the nerve to keep them waiting by playing the job the way it was designed. The job's design was not changed or anything, no cool solutions were introduced like NIN's Hide- we strictly only got punished and it feels terrible.
Under-the-hood changes to formulae, notably most HP/damage increasing twice as much as usual but healing not scaling to match, was essentially a massive shadow nerf that got the privilege of not being documented in patch notes. SCH got it the worst from that, due to the fairy's weakness being further exacerbated as well as not being able to fall back onto a regen stance. It's funny to me that they added visible HP bar shielding at the same time as they made shielding significantly less satisfying to use...

Originally Posted by Ceasaria

It was the purpose of the Fairy, yes.
The issue is now with the adding of new oGCD + those from fairies, we have so many that we have to sacrifice too much dps with Ruin II and even skipping oGCD healing because of that (like Fey Blessing).
AST has not this problem with the 1,5s cast time of Maleficent.

And let's be honest, managing our dps rotation while being able to use oGCD from fairy, it was very dynamic, interesting and fun.
She was like our partner.
The feeling is not the same anymore

Ast is also balanced around the fact it needs to juggle raid buffs with that weave space and its damage spells having lower potency when sch. SCH's balance is the increased flexibility of its ogcds but having a cost attached to several of them.

Originally Posted by Gravagar

Two things I want to add:
Aetherflow is only usable in combat now. It's obvious to everybody that the reason for that change is that only the complaints of deeps jobs about "other jobs making me wait pre-pull, wuhhhh" got listened to, so we got punished for having the nerve to keep them waiting by playing the job the way it was designed. The job's design was not changed or anything, no cool solutions were introduced like NIN's Hide- we strictly only got punished and it feels terrible.
Under-the-hood changes to formulae, notably most HP/damage increasing twice as much as usual but healing not scaling to match, was essentially a massive shadow nerf that got the privilege of not being documented in patch notes. SCH got it the worst from that, due to the fairy's weakness being further exacerbated as well as not being able to fall back onto a regen stance. It's funny to me that they added visible HP bar shielding at the same time as they made shielding significantly less satisfying to use...

My apologies, I haven't touched scholar in over 2 years so I couldn't remember thst first point

Originally Posted by Gravagar

Two things I want to add:
Aetherflow is only usable in combat now. It's obvious to everybody that the reason for that change is that only the complaints of deeps jobs about "other jobs making me wait pre-pull, wuhhhh" got listened to, so we got punished for having the nerve to keep them waiting by playing the job the way it was designed. The job's design was not changed or anything, no cool solutions were introduced like NIN's Hide- we strictly only got punished and it feels terrible.
Under-the-hood changes to formulae, notably most HP/damage increasing twice as much as usual but healing not scaling to match, was essentially a massive shadow nerf that got the privilege of not being documented in patch notes. SCH got it the worst from that, due to the fairy's weakness being further exacerbated as well as not being able to fall back onto a regen stance. It's funny to me that they added visible HP bar shielding at the same time as they made shielding significantly less satisfying to use...

I actually forgot to bring up how Aetherflow could be used outside of combat back in STB. I updated the original post to add this as a small QOL change. Since AAST can draw before battle, i figure SCH should have the same treatment, especially because it would help with the lower levels by giving SCH access to more lustrates, soils, and ED/bane. thanks for the reminder, this should def be a QOL change that SCH should get.

Originally Posted by Recon1o6

Seraph is a repackaged Rouse but incredibly glitchy (ghosting, double casting, a crippling healing bug that only just got fixed, faulty timer)

I'm no programmer but...
I wonder at this point if I wouldn't like Seraph as fairy glamour and "Rouse" be back and enhance Eos/Selene, allowing to cast dictame, and chaging her embraces with some seraphic veil.

Because that summon and vanishing animation are so weird and glitchy...
You don't have it for 22s. You have it for 15-17 at best. I'm tired of this.

Originally Posted by KDSilver

I'm no programmer but...
I wonder at this point if I wouldn't like Seraph as fairy glamour and "Rouse" be back and enhance Eos/Selene, allowing to cast dictame, and chaging her embraces with some seraphic veil.

Because that summon and vanishing animation are so weird and glitchy...
You don't have it for 22s. You have it for 15-17 at best. I'm tired of this.

Yes, I wonder if they couldn't just have kept Rouse, upgraded it to Seraph at a later level and just gave your faerie some kind of graphics effect while it's active, instead of desummoning it and summoning Seraph with those long and glitchy animations.