DRK enmity gen vs other tanks

[Magictrix]

Why is drk's enmity gen so much less than other tanks? In a case where the drk has the same level gear, the other tanks will generate more enmity. In a case where the drk has slightly better gear, the other tanks will generate more enmity.

Why is this and can we get a buff or something at some point during this expansion?

[bundythenoob]

Why is drk's enmity gen so much less than other tanks? In a case where the drk has the same level gear, the other tanks will generate more enmity. In a case where the drk has slightly better gear, the other tanks will generate more enmity.

Why is this and can we get a buff or something at some point during this expansion?

the case is simple: DRK does less DPS than other tanks, so it generates less emnity. it doesn't really affect the jobs performance unless you're racing someone to see who can MT first, but DRK does indeed need some QOL changes. I've suggested a few simple but effective changes in another thread, and hopefully they can be implemented by 5.35 or 5.4 in order to bring DRK up to par with the other 3 tanks in terms of ease of leveling and quality of performance for most content under lv 80. go check it out if you want!

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...hanges-for-5.4

[Yeol]

the case is simple: DRK does less DPS than other tanks, so it generates less emnity.

While the idea is not completely wrong, it's not entirely true.

If we bring 2 tanks in tank stance, the one with the highest burst & opener will hold aggro.
Then as the burn phase ends, the tank with the highest sustain DPS will take aggro.
When you enter the burst/re-opener phase again, the tank with the highest burst will take aggro again.
And the cycle repeats.

An example of this is Stromblood BRD.
BRD had lower DPS compared to other damage dealers, but it had a very high opener and burst. With the way old tanks used to play, BRD could easily pull aggro if they did not use Refresh and Tactician (An ability that used to drop their aggro by half).

With tank stance rework, the same logic applies here, but on tanks this time.

[shao32]

why is this even a problem? enmity it's a joke and you can stablish a strong lead by just spaming 1 buttom and no dps or healer will gonnna steal the hate from you, still DRK have the lower dps from all tanks but the diference is minimal so i doubt his enmity generation it's being much less compared to other tanks, so what kind of situations you are facing to find this being a problem?

[Kleeya]

why is this even a problem?

I agree it isn't one, but i see more and more people thinking that the aggro jauges are some sort of parsers, which gives a totally accurate rating of a player's prowess. If you are in lead it is good, and if not then you are bad. So i wouldn't be surprised if some people were thinking that tanks not all having the exact same aggro generation needs to be corrected. One of the next step in the obsession of having everything perfectly balanced.

[Hierro]

Saying DRK has enmity issues is a lie. You get front loaded burst and DPS is equal across the tanks.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Saying DRK has enmity issues is a lie. You get front loaded burst and DPS is equal across the tanks.

Because some people, like myself, want enmity combos to comeback for enmity based mechanics(they just need to be DPS neutral like same potency as your main combo and same resource generation as main combo) or to have a clearer distinction of what a Main tank and off tank is supposed to be.

[Leiron]

Because some people, like myself, want enmity combos to comeback for enmity based mechanics(they just need to be DPS neutral like same potency as your main combo and same resource generation as main combo) or to have a clearer distinction of what a Main tank and off tank is supposed to be.

The issue is you can get the same effect by simply shutting off your stance after allowing the MT to get initial agro. The issue with enmity combos is they aren't inherently adding anything to gameplay.Warrior had 3 different combos, one for enmity, a damage buff, and self healing. You HAD to use your damage buff combo after enmity in order to increase the enmity generation per combo.
You occasionally used self healing ability, but that just makes you a little squishier if you spammed BB all the time.
I would argue stance dancing provided more of a dynamic.
You could just shut off your stance for the increased damage, toss your stance up for the tank swap, provoke and then finish your enmity combo for a chunk of threat.
Stance dancing did more than combos did in terms of gameplay behavior./

[DRKoftheAzure]

The issue is you can get the same effect by simply shutting off your stance after allowing the MT to get initial agro. The issue with enmity combos is they aren't inherently adding anything to gameplay.Warrior had 3 different combos, one for enmity, a damage buff, and self healing. You HAD to use your damage buff combo after enmity in order to increase the enmity generation per combo.
You occasionally used self healing ability, but that just makes you a little squishier if you spammed BB all the time.
I would argue stance dancing provided more of a dynamic.
You could just shut off your stance for the increased damage, toss your stance up for the tank swap, provoke and then finish your enmity combo for a chunk of threat.
Stance dancing did more than combos did in terms of gameplay behavior./

I will say that the damage buff combo ender is probably the dumbest thing that hasn't gone away yet...


In fact, I think damage buffs tied to any damage dealing ability that requires you to successfully hit the target you want to do damage to is dumb, then again I was spoiled by pre-Shadowbringers Darkside...


Stance dancing did provide more of a dynamic, but only for Warriors due to their stances not being tied to the GCD...


And if you didn't have tank stance on but you weren't second on enmity list, your main tank expected you to use enmity combos... Before the advent of Provoke + Shirk...


Now everyone in the party are wondering why the off tank isn't second on enmity list because they get destroyed by the boss, and if your off tank isn't dead and they don't have tank stance on, it's time to bring back enmity combos... and DPS stances for good measure...

[ForteNightshade]

And if you didn't have tank stance on but you weren't second on enmity list, your main tank expected you to use enmity combos... Before the advent of Provoke + Shirk...

Uh, no they didn't. The OT only touched their aggro combo if they were picking up an add. Even then, particularly aggressive Dark Knights and Warriors throughout Creator still grabbed adds without tank stance. If there was aggro issues due to lacking Shadewalker, the Warrior voked and turned on Defiance+Unchained. They didn't even have to use a Butcher's combo. Just a combo and an Equilibrium overheal was more than enough. You never used aggro combos as the OT.

Now everyone in the party are wondering why the off tank isn't second on enmity list because they get destroyed by the boss, and if your off tank isn't dead and they don't have tank stance on, it's time to bring back enmity combos... and DPS stances for good measure...

There's no reason for anyone else to care about the aggro list. Either the boss targets both tanks, in which case keeping your stance on solves the issue. Or it doesn't and being second aggro makes no difference whatsoever. Bringing back enmity combos would lead to the situation they were in previously: completely ignored. If you made them DPS neutral, then they're glorified glamours that serve no purpose.