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    Something in 5.3 MSQ felt off to me (SPOILERS)

    That moment where you've kindda grown out of an old opinion but there's no "Delete thread" option in this forum...

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    Last edited by DiaDeem; 02-26-2023 at 02:19 PM. Reason: Don't really feel the same about the topic anymore. I would delete the thread but we can't do that here...

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    There are some theories that the WoL and Arbert are part of the same sundered soul, so in a way, he is 'us' so it kinda works for me.

    I felt that in the scene with Seto we pulled his essence from within, so it didn't feel for me so intrusive. I understand you may dislike not having the option to not summon him tho

    EDIT: Thanks guys! It's not a theory, it's fact. Bad wording on my part, I didn't mean to present as fact something I couldn't elaborate at the moment.
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    I did find it a little odd as I took that scene of Ardbert walking with his friends at the end of 5.0 to symbolize that he had finally found his peace and departed from the world completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rofel View Post
    There are some theories that the WoL and Arbert are part of the same sundered soul, so in a way, he is 'us' so it kinda works for me.
    It's not a theory - it's outright stated. It's how and why we merged.

    On voices, it's a curious thing but I've never enjoyed playing this with the voices switched on. I've tried a few times but it always feels a bit off and not paced quite right, plus I think it highlights the contrast of our character never making a noise even if visibly speaking. When everyone is just words on the screen and imagined voices, she talks as loudly as everyone else. I'm quite sure she and Ardbert spoke together in that scene! It was strange afterwards to find out that only Ardbert spoke - of course there's no choice but to do it that way, but it doesn't feel like that was the intent.
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    Honestly I was a bit surprised as well..seeing how Minfilia died when she fully joined with Ryne I dont understand how Ardbert is still here.
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    Same, I was surprised at first, but considering the WoL asked Seto to close his eyes I thought it more as a view of Seto's mind when he realized WoL and Ardbert are one and the same, so while Seto "saw" Ardbert in our soul, I think it was a "this all happened in a thought bubble" moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Honestly I was a bit surprised as well..seeing how Minfilia died when she fully joined with Ryne I dont understand how Ardbert is still here.
    Maybe Minfilia's not actually dead. I mean, Ryne doesn't have the Echo—she wasn't able to hear Hydaelyn's voice during the starshower scene in 5.2. And Minfilia did have the Echo, so it stands to reason that despite the whole "Minfilia reincarnation" thing, Ryne and Minfilia's souls aren't fragments of the same original soul. And if that's the case, it leaves me wondering just how merged their souls really are.

    But yeah, Ardbert just spontaneously manifesting himself through our body. It was heartwarming, to be sure, but definitely a little confusing.
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    The WoL is explicitly one of the Sundered, and as such that makes Ardbert technically part of Azem too.

    That doesn't exclude the two from still being their "own people". That's pretty much the whole basis of the conflict of 5.0; Emet thinks the Sundered trying to claim they are still their own people are nothing but pathetic shadows of their actual "complete" selves that shouldn't even count as people, and we're trying to show him otherwise.

    As for the scene of Ardbert walking away with his former comrades, I took that as more symbolic than anything else, like he had finally found his peace after remaining in post-Flood limbo for a century.
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    I think its because albert anf the WoL are 2 part of the same person and thats why our soul were able to fuse easyly despide not being the same person at first glance
    We also have that weird connection to the ancient as we are as he put it his ''new old friend"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rofel View Post
    There are some theories that the WoL and Arbert are part of the same sundered soul, so in a way, he is 'us' so it kinda works for me.

    I felt that in the scene with Seto we pulled his essence from within, so it didn't feel for me so intrusive. I understand you may dislike not having the option to not summon him tho
    I mean it's not so much a theory as a fact. Ardbert and the Warrior of Light came from the same soul. That's why that guy in Aumarot said our souls looked the same and why Ardbert was able to fuse with the WoL at the end of 5.0.
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