Speed run instances are killing PLD

[Raikki]

Everyone in this thread agrees there's class imbalance. Everyone agrees the time attack condition is stale. Everyone agrees they want to be challenged. The problem is you're muddling these issues together.

Class imbalance is the reason for PLD exclusion, not the time attack. Remove the time attack and all you've accomplished is to give easier Darklight body drops to the same groups that are turning you down on PLD and will continue to turn you down on PLD. If you want to be included on PLD, ask SE to fix your class or get a linkshell that wants to do it "the hard way". You can still argue that the time attack is stale and should be replaced with something new that's more interesting and more challenging. That's still a perfectly reasonable request, just a separate one.

When you confuse the issues like this and say simply "fix PLD by getting rid of time attacks" you offer neither a real way to fix PLD nor a real way to make the content more fun and challenging. Half-baked ideas about arbitrarily punishing class stackers with a penalty of some kind instead of actually addressing balance will never gain traction, nor would they get PLD any invites.

There are undoubtedly innumerable good ideas to address all of these issues, but it's difficult to have a productive discussion when issues are being lumped together that need to be looked at separately. The PLD problem is only solved by fixing the job. The stale time attack problem is only solved by implementing a new but equally-or-more challenging condition. The "not enough challenge" problem is more abstract, but mostly comes down to the boss fight mechanics.