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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleluia View Post
    MSQ thoughts on Elidibus as a character:

    Was he a child when he joined the Convocation and/or became Zodiark's heart?

    He's our size at the end of the trial, which is child-size for an Amaurotine. And the word choice in his final speech sounds childlike in its earnestness to me.

    And the flashbacks where the other convocation members are talking to him, before the final days it seemed, about how his dedication to duty is bordering on obsession and basically telling him to take it easier... It painted the picture of a kid attempting to live up to a legacy and trying too hard. Also, in this flashback, I think our pov is a bit on the short side physically.

    I just get the feeling he might have been a child prodigy, elevated to Elidbus' seat at a young age. And then the apocalypse happened.

    And I'm just imagining this kid taking on the responsibility of becoming the heart of Zodiark so he can save everyone, promising them all that he'll never forget his duty, and now I'm sadder.
    I think we are to assume he was a child because of the size of his character. This highlights the level of willing sacrifice that the people of Amaurot will make to get what they want, and because they are sacrificing a child we should recognize them as in the wrong.

    But I think the extreme focus on his goals had more to do with being a single minded primal as opposed to youthful devotion.
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    Does Gaius have white Auracite? if he doesn't, the Ascians he killed can come back in another body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuella View Post
    Does Gaius have white Auracite? if he doesn't, the Ascians he killed can come back in another body.
    We haven't seen any hint he does. Even if he did, since Garleans can't use aether it'd probably be useless rock to him.

    5.3 Werlyt
    Though maybe he has the Heart of Sabik since they revealed it was auracite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuella View Post
    Does Gaius have white Auracite? if he doesn't, the Ascians he killed can come back in another body.
    Technically, you don't need white auracite to destroy an Ascian; it just makes the job easier by restraining them so they can't escape to the rift between.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Gaius has been hanging onto Heart of Sabik all this time and found a way to use the thing against the Ascians since the devs mentioned it would come up again sooner or later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuella View Post
    Does Gaius have white Auracite? if he doesn't, the Ascians he killed can come back in another body.
    While it is likely that Gaius has killed some Asicans, it's pretty unlikely that he's TRULY killed them. Yeah, I wouldn't consider Gaius's kills to necessarily count in the Asican death toll.

    On the other hand, some Asicans CAN be truly killed without white Auracite (or equivalents, like Nidhogg's Eye). We've only seen one example, involving a black masked Ascian in the Summoner quest line. We lured the Ascian to a place where there were no corpses around to possess, and when we defeated him his essence had no place to go but the Lifestream.

    Gaius is a clever man, and it's possible that he may have worked out similar methods for his black mask trophies. I find it unlikely that he managed anything permanent for the red masks at his belt, however.
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    I took it as more a metaphor for how he was small and alone now with the others gone. He still had a grown man's voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    I took it as more a metaphor for how he was small and alone now with the others gone. He still had a grown man's voice.
    This is a good point too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    I took it as more a metaphor for how he was small and alone now with the others gone. He still had a grown man's voice.
    It having been symbolic was also definitely a possibility.
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    It's worth noting that in his memories Elidibus is shown to be shorter then the first WoL he possessed. When he reaches out to him his arm only reaches the Warriors mid back.

    His height is definitely more then symbolic, and considering that possession was basically at the start, its not eons of duty that made him that way.
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    Better late than never?

    MSQ

    The Shadowbringers from 5.0-5.3 has probably my most satisfying experience in gaming storytelling. My only regret was that 5.1-5.3 were not unlocked immediately in new game plus.

    Considering his general craziness (and his robe) I'm wondering if Fandaniel was from the thirteenth before he was "raised up". From what Nabrielas said I'm also wondering if all of the "raised" Ascians are from the from the reflections or if any of them are also from the source or are the "main" shard of that Ascian.

    I'm not sure how I feel about Zenos and Fandaniel as villains, but Shadowbringers has been the expansion of mis-founded apprehension for me story-wise so at this point I'm willing to go with it.


    YoHRa: I haven't played Nier

    . . . But I enjoyed the raid and like the armor? I wonder if the Nier group post date the sundering? Or are there androids on every shard? If they are exclusive to the first how did they get there?

    I absolutely love Anogg and Konogg and the writing for Korma in general. My only real complaint is that the ending of the story for this patch felt a bit sudden, but that will probably be corrected when we can play it all at once.


    Moble Suit Gundam G-weapon Ultima

    SO I admit it I left the training to go glam the Late Allagan gear. I'm intrested to find out more about Terncliff and Werlyt as it is our first chance to really see any of Isalbard and the local Raen population as well.

    Valens is quite creepy. Did Emet specify insanity as a requirement for Legatus of the VIth?

    Could we get a new map, please? Before the expansion? I'd really like to be able to visualize where we are going. So many places we have been since the new map was released 4.0 aren't on it.


    Dwarven Dailies

    Actually the Dwarves in general have been a treat this expansion. I thought the bar tending mini game was fun. I wonder if any other npc will be added as we rank up?
    I'm a bit surprised that there are still enough sin eaters around to need tanks though, considering the MSQs seems to indicated that there were less common and weaker now without the flood of light. eh /shrug


    Also all the kudos to the animation team this patch, they have really stepped up!

    Going to Edit since no one has posted and I don't want to double post:

    Elidibus

    To me I interpreted the echo flashbacks and the shade of Elidibus to mean that he was a child when he joined the convocation and later became Zodiark's heart. That doesn't mean he is still one now or even if he was still a child when the sundering happened (we also don't know how long there was between when Zodiark was summoned and when Hydaelyn was). Its been 12000 years on the Source since the sundering and Elidibus likely lived several lifetimes as a Warrior of Light at the least. Elidibus might have been a child then, but even being the god-Avatar from a race of near-Immortals but he isn't one now.

    If Eli was a child when during the Terminus/Zodiarks summoning etc it does put an interesting spin on his relationship with Unukalhai, as another child tasked with saving the world who failed.


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    The Fourteenth

    The fact that Azem is called a "defector" is intriguing. We know that they left before Zodiark's summoning but didn't join Venat's rebels. Who then, were they defecting to? Elidibus seems to have completely forgotten Azem's existence. Considering that they both have "together but apart" positions on the convocation I have to wonder what their relationship was, and if the person that Elidibus swore an oath to but can't remember is Azem. I wonder when the player character will realize that they are Azem?
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    Last edited by Naria; 08-23-2020 at 08:40 AM.

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