Revelations from Patch 5.3

**MicahZerrshia** · 08-12-2020 07:38 PM

About Elidibus being a....

Primal. Since we know Zodiarc is a primal as well, that means primals can summon primals which opens a lot of potential for future arcs and tons of shenanigans.

**Eloah** · 08-12-2020 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Crushnight

New job teases

Yes this gets its own section because I truly believe they were just that teases
Chemist/potion healer - heavily requested by community
Necromancer - heavily requested by community
Thief- requested by community for full job
Rune Knight/Fencer(secret trial boss) - requested by the community
Beserker - staple job in series

I think each and every one of them was a red herring and the true job/s for 6.0 have yet to have any appearance, these jobs were a nod to what we would want and nothing more.

I'll keep it in a spoiler tag

I think the only "confirmed" hint at a possible new job is Chemist/Salve-Maker, from the little Miqo'te girl. Reason being that quest was just too in your face to be coincidental. SE has done hints like that before with Alisaie for RDM, and the patch title for 4.4 for BLU. They confirmed that, I'm not just speculating.

As for the other jobs mentioned. I think that's just supposed to represent similar jobs from the other shards. Similar to how the First didn't have a BLM or WHM, but a Magus and Devout.

In short, the only real hint is for Chemist/Salve-Maker. The others just fit the theme of their locations; dungeon, trial, etc.

**Jandor** · 08-12-2020 07:57 PM

Main story:

I enjoyed it, feels like it was wrapped up a little fast, or maybe should have started a little sooner, but I still enjoyed it.

People have already touched on major stuff, so just a minor thing I liked. My WoL feeling comfortable enough in her power to keep giving the great Elidibus, last of the unsundered ancients, a bunch of sass.

Thought an option to channel a bit of Emet was amusing while still being pretty appropriate.

**Hikari_Kishimoto** · 08-12-2020 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Frizze

So yeah, one more expansion to end the story right.

The time to end the story right would have been now. Or to not end it yet.
Even if they announced that 6.0 would be the ending, why dump the whole story before?
(Amaurot, Ascian Paragons, joining the shards - gone)
Zenos and his little ascian overlord sidekick are nothing compared to that.

Furthermore, I feel like the story has only been told to me - I didn't get to live through it.
I remember when Hades was totally shocked, when we appeared as Amaurotean to him for a second.

And now it's just like "Ye, you're Azem. Here's your crystal, bye!"

**Jandor** · 08-12-2020 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Hikari_Kishimoto

The time to end the story right would have been now. Or to not end it yet.
Even if they announced that 6.0 would be the ending, why dump the whole story before?
(Amaurot, Ascian Paragons, joining the shards - gone)
Zenos and his little ascian overlord sidekick are nothing compared to that.

Furthermore, I feel like the story has only been told to me - I didn't get to live through it.
I remember when Hades was totally shocked, as we appeared as Amaurotean to him for a second.

And now it's just like "Ye, you're Azem. Here's your crystal, bye!"

I got the impression that Hades

made the crystal ages ago in the hopes of finding Azem again, not specifically because he thought you were Azem.

The story isn't totally over, not yet anyway. Zodiark is presumably still trapped in the moon, Hydaelyn is still hiding in the planet, the mini-Ascians are still around and while they might struggle in a toe-to-toe brawl they're still immortal dimension hopping schemers.

Still a few big things to wrap up.

**purgatori** · 08-12-2020 08:36 PM

Happy to discover that

we're not really the WoL. We embody another archetype; we have come full circle and once again know ourselves to be the Adventurer.

Vindication, but not necessarily of the very-pleasing variety:

Hydaelyn is just a mindless automaton, for the most part. Not much different to Elidibus, except for the fact that her memory, presumably, hasn't been subject to the same sort of dissolution

**Alleo** · 08-12-2020 09:37 PM

MSQ (complete)

This patch left me torn. Some very awesome moments, but also a few stuff that I really did not like.

I did not like the start much. Felt like some old fetch quests where you go around and defeat some low level monsters (I lost to Alisaie, honestly did not bother to even try). I guess at least we got some hints of a future job.

Even the part with checking on the bodies of our friends felt a bit boring? And honestly when they warned us how they look I really thought that they will look badly but they just looked stiff. (But nice how we went only to Alphinaud..Alisaie must be soo jealous.)

Thankfully it picked up after that. The little trip down to the past was nice even though they were quite tame with it. I honestly thought they would do more with certain NPCs. The reveal that Elidibus was a primal felt off. Why? Why was that necessary? Honestly it felt like it was only there to explain why he would be much more powerful towards the end..but that could have been explained in many other ways instead of making him into a primal. Still I did feel for him even if that was quite the character change to the more balanced and calm Elidibus from the other expansions.

The biggest reveal and one of the most awesome thing was to learn about the 14th. Finally the confirmation what many of us already believed. (Also Hythlo is awesome and I wished we could get more of him) Azem is a nice name (and will totaly shock our little sun

) and the description fits so perfectly well. Its a bit funny how we still did not fulfil our job to 100% since we dealt with the problems ourself instead of bringing them to the others. Maybe Azem knew that it would not be solved because they would talk too much about it..but still he/she should have told them. Nice to know that Azem also made quite a few friends just like we did (it was our deeds after all that brought the people hope after the eight calamity). I wonder if that was the reason why they left. Maybe they truly knew more than the rest of the Amaurotiner. Maybe they would have had a different solution that would not need any kind of primal.

Sadly this was all we learned about the ancient ones..some bits and pieces but I wished for much more.

So the warriors that the exarch summoned to help against Hades where just phantoms too? (At the same time Elidibus says that these are souls..so what right? Also did we just kill their souls or just pushed them back to where they came from? What did Elidibus say to them that makes them fight for him so without a question? Yes you can talk about the WoD as much as you want but these Phantoms fought other beings too..did they never once stopped to think that its strange that all the people help us?

Anyways the dungeon was awesome and especially Ill Mheg was beautiful. Still funny to see past bosses helping us and then seemingly having forgotten their powers..SE does love to make such dungeons..Ala Mhigo or G. Dark was similiar. So nice but not really that mindblowing thanks to that.

Still left an emotional impact especially with the help of certain NPCs.

I loved everything with the exarch afterwards and the fight with the WoL Elidibus was quite a highlight of this patch even if a lot of stuff happened in it. Emet coming in to save us. The whole scene where we take our crystal, the name reveal and the symbol on the floor. Awesome. Thankfully my group was awesome too and we beat him without a wipe.

And after that is where I am the most annoyed..Ardberts body got destroyed and we got no chance to even do something. I felt bad for Elidibus but at the same time it felt like such a waste..so many expansion where we barely got anything for him. Emet himself gets a whole base expansion to flesh him out and then we kill him. And now after having killed one already we just kill another just like that? Why not use this patch as a basic for future Elidibus development? Heck you could even use it to make him question his purpose even further..maybe even becoming an ally. But no you built him up, make him into a primal and then just kill him...to leave us with Zenos and the Not!Asahi (who is annoying me so much). Are you telling me that those two will be the big bad ones?

Anyways..the scenes with the crystal exarch were touching. I love it when you see the emotion in the characters expression. And at that time even with him being in the crystal, it was never a 100% given that he would make it out. So seeing our character standing infront of the statue while the rest was running in was powerful for me. This is so much better than any fake death..because until the end you wont know if they will do a happy end or not. Still happy that he made it out even though I am not sure how I feel about their souls fusing together..what happened with the other soul?

The traveling afterwards was a nice nod and touching in some instances but felt a bit lacking in emotions in others. Seto was probably the one that hit the hardest. And I wonder if that means that Ardbert still does exist as his own in us? (Now I can just imagine the tea party in our head, with Fray and the others commenting on what is happening.

)

The rest of the goodbyes were fine..I did tear a bit up with Rynes speach because you can hear how broken she was..but the reaction of the others? Helloooo this is you little friend that you wont ever see again..why do you all react much more emotional with the others than her? I really wished that at least Thancred would have teared up a bit.

And well the rest was fine until the Garlemald scene happened..I am not looking forward to those two being the new big bads...please SE let that be a red herring..Elidibus could have been so much better..

**Gula** · 08-12-2020 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by purgatori

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spoiler tag is [.hb] [./hb] without the . like

this

But I honestly laughed, because of all the speculation on that applying to us.

**purgatori** · 08-12-2020 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Gula

spoiler tag is [.hb] [./hb] without the . like

this

But I honestly laughed, because of all the speculation on that applying to us.

Thanks. Fixed.

Speculation? It's spelled out pretty clearly, isn't it? After already been hinted at for the longest time.

**EdwinLi** · 08-12-2020 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Hikari_Kishimoto

That would have been fine with me, but why not give it a decent ending then?
ShB was so well written, the story built up through many years - and now they just tossed it all out of the window in the blink of an eye.
That doesn't do the story justice. Another expension, or even an enlargened story patch, would have.
Storywise, I have no reason to play FFXIV anymore.

As Frizze said..

6.0 to 6.3 will be the End of the current Season 1 Storyline.

Season 2 storyline, if they follow how most Season 2 storyline goes in certain games, will not be a continuation of Season 1 storyline but a new storyline involving new antagonists unrelated to the Ascians as completely or atleast semi-related in some way due to history or being from the world before the Sundering. However, in the end we may never see Zodiark and Ascians again in Season 2 unless it is for nods back to Season 1 events through wording or a side-quest.

there is still much of the world of FF14 we have yet to explore and many dangers lurking in the shadows just waiting to appear when the Ascians are gone or atleast may have been waiting for the moment either Zodiark or Hydalyen won their war to strike. Not to mention 5.X Era MSQ, including 5.3 MSQ, has shown us the original world was not as "perfect" and peaceful as the Ascian's remembered considering everytime there was a great danger that happens the 13 were just sipping tea safely in their city reading and writing reports about it in hope of "discussing" what to do to resolve it while the places burned down by those dangers and only the 14th took actions to stop the dangers directly. Dangers that may include potential candidates for Season 2 antagonists in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Jandor

I got the impression that Hades

made the crystal ages ago in the hopes of finding Azem again, not specifically because he thought you were Azem.

The story isn't totally over, not yet anyway. Zodiark is presumably still trapped in the moon, Hydaelyn is still hiding in the planet, the mini-Ascians are still around and while they might struggle in a toe-to-toe brawl they're still immortal dimension hopping schemers.

Still a few big things to wrap up.

I believe Hades already knew WoL is.....

Azem during Shadowbringer but due to their conflicting goals and how he could not accept WoL due to being a fragment of his former friend, Hades could not give him the Soul Crystal of the 14th. It was only during his final moments before death when Hades finally accept WoL and most likely prepared events in advance before that final battle so WoL can obtain the Soul Crystal under the possibility that he himself may be defeated by WoL and come to accept him and the world.

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