Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.3

I'm not so sure

that he was after Tartarus. Sicinius' profile says they took Construct-type robots from Goug, so maybe that's all they took? I'd certainly like to see more Tartarus elaboration though.

Unrelated to that,

it looks like Queen Gunnhildrs were decided by the shaman caste and not passed down by blood. Most were Hrothgar simply because of numerical odds - Hrothgar being the most populous race in Bozja - but not all were even before Misija's ancestor.

Originally Posted by Alleo

About the Bozja story:

Honestly I really wish that we would not see the traitor before they are revealed to our character. For me it would be really nice to really be surprised..and not knowing that our character is just walking into the next trap. Also funny how their explanation in how a queen is chosen is done to not have to show a female Hrothgar.

I really like the idea with getting more infomation about the NPCs with these notes. Sadly they did not give me a connection to them so when they got tempered I barely felt anything. It could be because I was so annoyed with cutscene!WoL...its fine when Mikoto has a weapon pressed against her throat..but later when she is kicked away? There is no reason for us to not draw weapon and just attack the roe lady. (And with so many people there..she would have no way to defend herself..)Especially when we are saved by a single gun shot from the random saviour that just totally came there at the right time. Why cant we do that? Why do we stand there like an idiot? Enemies getting what they want because the character acts like they forgot how to fight does not really feel like awesome story telling to me. (Its like us letting Gaius slowly walk his way to the Ultima weapon...)

Rest was fine and I am interested in some of our enemies. Not looking forward to more "dungeons" like the castrum to get the whole story.

Because if the surprise comes out of the blue, we'll have more people complaining that it came out of the blue and doesn't fit the character. Story logic has to fit the means here.

The character's hesitation is meant to build suspense and give you a moment to have an emotional reaction. I can understand hating it because it doesn't follow real life logic, but this is a work of fiction and suspense of disbelief is paramount. Just remember its to enhance the story telling not take power away from your character.

Originally Posted by Kesey

Because if the surprise comes out of the blue, we'll have more people complaining that it came out of the blue and doesn't fit the character. Story logic has to fit the means here.

The character's hesitation is meant to build suspense and give you a moment to have an emotional reaction. I can understand hating it because it doesn't follow real life logic, but this is a work of fiction and suspense of disbelief is paramount. Just remember its to enhance the story telling not take power away from your character.

It does not have to come completely out of the blue. You can still give us some clues in the reacion of some characters. I mean seeing how people behaved towards her was a good reason to assume that she might be the traitor. I just dont find that it builds supsense, especially since I know that there will be a high chance that our character, bascially a near god right now, will just not react at all so that the plan can take place.

There are many ways to make us helpless too. Built up a real magical trap that binds us. Overwhelm us with numbers. Use a magical ability that will slow us down. Anything than just letting our character stand there, staring, while a machinist for example could just shoot rounds of bullets into her, before she can even reach anyone else. (Just like enemies or even friends that suddenly help us can do but of course not the main character) Tanks have gap closers, healers and BLM have sleep, summoners can use their egis and insta spells.

I mean why are we helping her? Why did we activate the crystal? Mikoto had no sword at ther throat..the crystal was not in the hand of the traitor anymore...yes she had a sword with she could use to slash people with but seeing how Mikoto later got hit by it but seemingly was quite fine I just dont understand how we did not simply run, or dash take the crystal while the rest attacks her..most of us there were soldiers, ready to give their lifes..why would we react so passive? And thanks to that Mikoto was fine but a whole bunch of other people got tempered and if the sudden visitor did not shot her, the rest would have been too..why? I just dont understand what she had over us at that point...

And I also dont understand that while we were in there (she had to be there too to grab the queen) the others did not at least surround her? And as soon as we all would be back they could have taken her down...Also why would taking her down while we are in there risk our lifes? We are the ones activating it and we are also the ones coming out of it on our own even with all the shadow in there.

It really took me out of it and destroyed the story for me. If she at least kept Mikoto with her the whole time...then I could understand that our character would hesitate (even if that still would have killed of all these other people in the end) but she was not in reach..heck she was far away that on of our friends could run to her, snatch her up and get her back to safety...

Originally Posted by Alleo

About the Bozja story:

]Honestly I really wish that we would not see the traitor before they are revealed to our character. For me it would be really nice to really be surprised..and not knowing that our character is just walking into the next trap.

I think in this case it was done so as to avoid necessitating

Misija monologue her motivation/the Queen's backstory for a good ten minutes with the Blade at Mikoto's neck, rather than actual shock value. The initial twist lands when we see her being 'captured' and then allows her time to have a discussion, in a not-so-dangerous situation with her where we get the backstory/the truth of Gunnhildr and her supposed sacrifice. By the time there's a dramatic confrontation we've already got all the understanding we need as to her past and motivations for serving Garlemald (or at least Gabranth) and can focus on what her actual scheme is. It's less about facilitating a dramatic twist so much as establishing that this won't be a cut-and-dry case of plucky, unambiguously heroic freedom fighters swooping in to save the day with WoL.

On another note, easy to miss, but you can 'talk' (overhear) the three Resistance soldiers who were giving lip to Misija and their plan to have the common-born leaders killed once Bozja is liberated in order to reinstate the noble caste system. Misjia's remark about Bajsaljen being "one of the first to go" due to his optimism of creating a new, more equal Bozja with her is presumably referencing said nobility and their plans to stop his designs coming to fruition. No doubt they're going to prove a problem in the future storyline.