Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.3

WM during Rising mentioned importance of balance of elements. Now that Elidibus (who tried to keep elemental balance) is gone and Fandaniel is free to wreak havoc as he pleases he might just go and upset said ballance and it would be up to us to restore it.

The situation with Thordan was mostly supposed to just express there was 'something different' about us as we did something Thordan thought was impossible, much like many other enemies seem to point out throughout the main scenerio. Though I doubt the Writers had specific plans for what that 'thing' was at the time of Heavensward just that there was something 'that made us different'.

Originally Posted by Draginhikari

The situation with Thordan was mostly supposed to just express there was 'something different' about us as we did something Thordan thought was impossible, much like many other enemies seem to point out throughout the main scenerio. Though I doubt the Writers had specific plans for what that 'thing' was at the time of Heavensward just that there was something 'that made us different'.

I think I remember them saying in an interview when asked about the Thordan scene that they specifically didn't have any idea what it meant back then. Does anyone else remember that?

It works really really well with where the story is at now, but it wasn't foreshadowing anything at the time.

They also resue the effect with Zenos when he kills his farther and the context seems the same, in fact reusing it there makes me feel like their using it to continue the parallel that we're so far and above those around us in strength that at times we can seem monstrous just like Zenos, continuing the "beast" comparison.
Both he and us are a kin to monsters, we simply do good so most see us as heroic, but just like the general world sees Zenos as this horrid unstoppable beast, I'm sure many and more of those we've put down saw what Thordan, this unstoppable "thing" hardly a person.

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

They also resue the effect with Zenos when he kills his farther and the context seems the same, in fact reusing it there makes me feel like their using it to continue the parallel that we're so far and above those around us in strength that at times we can seem monstrous just like Zenos, continuing the "beast" comparison.
Both he and us are a kin to monsters, we simply do good so most see us as heroic, but just like the general world sees Zenos as this horrid unstoppable beast, I'm sure many and more of those we've put down saw what Thordan, this unstoppable "thing" hardly a person.

With Zenos having visions of Amaurot.....did he say he had these visions even before the artificial Echo? I don't recall. Having a soul strong enough to force Elidibus out of his body......makes me wonder if he himself is a sundered ancient from the convocation.

Originally Posted by WarzonePrez

With Zenos having visions of Amaurot.....did he say he had these visions even before the artificial Echo? I don't recall. Having a soul strong enough to force Elidibus out of his body......makes me wonder if he himself is a sundered ancient from the convocation.

I can't say for certain, but from what I recall he implies he's always had these dreams but never through much on them buy being annoyed it kept happening until he learned the truth.

Edit:
Just re-watched the 5.2 cutscene, when Fandaniel asks him about his dream Zenos responds with "I have always dreamed of it..." So it seems he's dreamt of it before he got his "fake" Echo.

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

They also resue the effect with Zenos when he kills his farther and the context seems the same, in fact reusing it there makes me feel like their using it to continue the parallel that we're so far and above those around us in strength that at times we can seem monstrous just like Zenos, continuing the "beast" comparison.
Both he and us are a kin to monsters, we simply do good so most see us as heroic, but just like the general world sees Zenos as this horrid unstoppable beast, I'm sure many and more of those we've put down saw what Thordan, this unstoppable "thing" hardly a person.

The idea of WoL and Zenos being direct foils makes the most sense and mostly seems to be the direct the story is going for mostly.

The comparison of both WoL and Zenos as 'Monsters among men' has been brought up several times. They're both unusual skilled, always desire challenges, and capable of what appears to be nigh impossible feats. Of course, what makes them foils is primarily the fact that despite the violence the WoL has to commit in the context of the story, the WoL is empathic to those they encountered, even sometimes to the enemies they fight at times. While Zenos is basically a Psychopath with little remorse for the damage he causes. Zenos is basically what the WoL would be without that empathy.

Originally Posted by Draginhikari

The idea of WoL and Zenos being direct foils makes the most sense and mostly seems to be the direct the story is going for mostly.

The comparison of both WoL and Zenos as 'Monsters among men' has been brought up several times. They're both unusual skilled, always desire challenges, and capable of what appears to be nigh impossible feats. Of course, what makes them foils is primarily the fact that despite the violence the WoL has to commit in the context of the story, the WoL is empathic to those they encountered, even sometimes to the enemies they fight at times. While Zenos is basically a Psychopath with little remorse for the damage he causes. Zenos is basically what the WoL would be without that empathy.

I just realized something from this post. Emet-Selch was attempting to create a fully Unsundered Ascian soul right? Whose soul do you think he'd be dead set on making again? Azem's. I have a feeling Zenos being a foil isn't just for show. He is in fact an attempted clone of Azem's soul, and is a failed one simply because of what you said, he has all the need to challenge himself without the WoL's intense empathy.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I just realized something from this post. Emet-Selch was attempting to create a fully Unsundered Ascian soul right? Whose soul do you think he'd be dead set on making again? Azem's. I have a feeling Zenos being a foil isn't just for show. He is in fact an attempted clone of Azem's soul, and is a failed one simply because of what you said, he has all the need to challenge himself without the WoL's intense empathy.

Or it could be another folly of the Ancients, Emet did do everything right and figured that would work and recreate his friend but like how they overlook the life that now exists he overlooked that just giving someone all the pieces that made them who they are dosen't mean you'll get the same person, Zenos lead a different life and made different choices, even if he could have been everything Azem was freewill and environment meant he came out very differently.