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    The Heavensward hint could also be less looking back and more paying attention to what's happening now, the restoration is kind of carrying on the Heavensward story ark and it's very focused on the Dragons once again being willing to mingle with man, so I could very much see them coming back into the story come 6.0.
    Even with Doma, Ala mhigo and Ishgard in the alliance the empire is no push over, but a united Ishgard/Dragon force would be very powerful, wouldn't be the first time man and Dragon were at war before Dragon allowed Man to ride into battle apone them.
    The Dragoons, trained to slay dragons become Dragon Riders, ruling the skies and leaping from their backs in combo of spear and flame... suddenly I want this as a class...
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    A part of me suspect the mention of relearning Heavensward may mean the next expansion may go to Sharlayan and we must reason with them to open up their gates and change their old ways like we did to Ishgard. The War we end this time is the long time war against Garlean Empire as that has been our Dragonsong War since the beginning of FF14 storyline.

    Though that is only one of the things I suspect why the developers want us to remember Heavensward as something important for the upcoming storyline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    A part of me suspect the mention of relearning Heavensward may mean the next expansion may go to Sharlayan and we must reason with them to open up their gates and change their old ways like we did to Ishgard. The War we end this time is the long time war against Garlean Empire as that has been our Dragonsong War since the beginning of FF14 storyline.

    Though that is only one of the things I suspect why the developers want us to remember Heavensward as something important for the upcoming storyline.
    Appealing to a nation to change their old ways could also be leveled against Garlemald itself, seeing how the empire is in shambles and the truth the citizenry believed in for their military's eternal conquest has been revealed to be lies, much like the Dragonson War and Ishgard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur View Post
    Appealing to a nation to change their old ways could also be leveled against Garlemald itself, seeing how the empire is in shambles and the truth the citizenry believed in for their military's eternal conquest has been revealed to be lies, much like the Dragonson War and Ishgard.
    That could tie into Yoshida's "subverting our expectations" about going to Garlemald, perhaps we don't fight them at all, perhaps by the time we get there Garlemald proper has already given up and is going into reform and we're instead either only dealing with Zenos or one Legion that won't give it up, as opposed to all out war against Garlemald.
    With 6.x supposed to be ending all of session one, they may want to knock something big out quickly given how much they've got to get through, though still give us some kind of fight with the Garlemald, after all, the sorrow of werlyt and Bozja are reminding us how dangerous a single Legion can be.
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    If anything, I think Garlemald (or at least a faction in it) will ask us if we could help them clean up the current mess Garlemald is in. The Emperor is dead. Last we saw, the Ist and IIIrd Legions were fighting each other over control of the Garlean Capitol. The VIIth Legion has it's Gundam scheme and a... crazy Legatus. More and more conquered territories are rising up against Garlemald. And the entire contenent is more than likely out for Garlemald's blood in some size shape or form in retrebution for said conquering. Oh, and Zenos controls the palace, but isn't interested in ruling.

    At the very least, someone has to go and get Zenos out of Garlemald before anything can really start getting done to stabilize it, since... Zenos is just going to cut down anyone who tries to dislodge him. Except maybe the WoL who has proved they can fight on his level. Thing is... the Eorzea Alliance has a lot better things to do than to march a continent and a half over to keep Garlemald from imploding anymore than it already has under Emet-Selch. But Zenos really does have to go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ObsidianFire View Post
    If anything, I think Garlemald (or at least a faction in it) will ask us if we could help them clean up the current mess Garlemald is in. The Emperor is dead. [...]
    I'm still considering "secretly not dead" a possibility until further notice.

    He's just... gone nowhere at the end of a rather disjointed-feeling character arc and it seems like a waste at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I'm still considering "secretly not dead" a possibility until further notice.

    He's just... gone nowhere at the end of a rather disjointed-feeling character arc and it seems like a waste at this point.
    I mean its possible he has a clone body, since the stolen Allagan technology has proven that can be done. But I'm not sure this is a path they are pursuing atm.
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    Zenos is the rightful heir to the throne and considering that seemingly nobody is aware he's the one who killed the Emperor aside from Estinien and Gaius (Which I still find awkward considering that we've seen that the Garlean castrums have surveillance cameras), I'd assume there's a significant portion of the populace that would be willing to rally behind his leadership; even though he in all likelyhood intends to just escalate things into an all-out war with everyone who opposes Garlemald in order to force our hand.

    Considering that the Eorzean Alliance was evidently competent enough to push back and pressure the combined forces of Garlemald into deploying the Black Rose during the bad timeline, I feel like something is going to have to change in how the Garleans are fighting to make them enough of a threat to warrant more attention they've been getting. Underhanded tactics like surgical strikes on populated areas and/or some kind of superweapon they've been keeping under wraps, perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    Zenos is the rightful heir to the throne and considering that seemingly nobody is aware he's the one who killed the Emperor aside from Estinien and Gaius (Which I still find awkward considering that we've seen that the Garlean castrums have surveillance cameras), I'd assume there's a significant portion of the populace that would be willing to rally behind his leadership; even though he in all likelyhood intends to just escalate things into an all-out war with everyone who opposes Garlemald in order to force our hand.
    Uhm, i think you forget the scene with him sitting in the Throne Room with Garlean corpses everywhere, i think it came to peoples attention already in the time we were in the shard that he did kill his father by now and people tried to stop him as seen with the corpses, on top i believe we will see the two sister guardians we fought in Ghymlit again as witnesses also for it. I don't think here he can even force anyone in a war anymore and just does what he likes, he not cares for the land or country, just his hunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saix027 View Post
    Uhm, i think you forget the scene with him sitting in the Throne Room with Garlean corpses everywhere, i think it came to peoples attention already in the time we were in the shard that he did kill his father by now and people tried to stop him as seen with the corpses, on top i believe we will see the two sister guardians we fought in Ghymlit again as witnesses also for it. I don't think here he can even force anyone in a war anymore and just does what he likes, he not cares for the land or country, just his hunt.
    There was a civil war going on with people fighting for the throne and we already know there were factions who were opposed to him taking it.

    Varis also had to put down his competition before he was able to become the undisputed ruler in the previous succession war.

    While it's true that he ultimately only cares about his hunt, he's not above using others as tools to further that purpose. I couldn't see any reason why he'd even bother returning to the palace unless Fandaniel suggested that ascending the throne would offer the means to set the perfect stage for his rematch with us.
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