Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.3

I wonder the dragons would ever be willing to support Ishgard's military operations.

I could definitely see it happening if a potentially world-ending threat comes up as a result of the scheming in Garlemald since Midgarsormr would likely intervene.

Originally Posted by KageTokage

I wonder the dragons would ever be willing to support Ishgard's military operations.

I could definitely see it happening if a potentially world-ending threat comes up as a result of the scheming in Garlemald since Midgarsormr would likely intervene.

Midgardsormr is still technically sleeping to recover after saving us from Omega. Of course, this being FFXIV, we're deliberately not given a time frame for how long he'll be asleep, and it could be anywhere from "he'll wake up tomorrow" to "not within the lifetime of this star".

Also I get the impression the dragons don't actually follow by example as much as by orders. As in, if Midgardsormr ordered his brood (ie every dragon around) to help him out, they'll do it, or at least try to escape that responsibility by running away. If he asked as a request, though, or even just went "hey, there's a major threat here, I'm going to handle it, you can join me if you want", it's up to the individual dragon whether they want to bother helping.

As I just finished my last 80 (dragoon) their 5.0 job story drops the idea that all of the 7 dragon brood (Midgardsormr's kids) are responsible for the stewardship of the star in his absence.

I'm thinking the remaining brood will come back into the story if we are on the verge of a calamity that will allow Zodiark out of his moon cage. This may also be the Heavensward hint that Yoshi-P referenced.

Originally Posted by Saix027

I mean think about it, they both supposedly are balance to each other in a way, Hydalin won and banished Zodiark, shatterign him in pieces, i doubt there even is a full Zodiark anymore if only remains like with Elidibus. The thing here is, we kept beating the Ascians over and over, we prevent another calamity even, beaten Primae after Primae not always resummoned anymore. Yet she still is supposedly in a weak state and Zodiark who was in pieces gets stronger? This all smells simply fishy to me.

I start to believe Zenos will get Hydalin instead, and Zodiark will even add to our help in some way. Hydalin is to quote Gaius, also just a parasite like the other Primae and gods honestly. Hydalin i fear will turn out more worse then we believe so farm, if you tihnk about it she might be the basic embodiments of an Ascian, the same people that made her, manipulating people and telling lies.

What makes me think that? Well, as we seen with Elidibus repeating the Starfall twice and, "Hydalin" spoken to people, it makes me think Hydalin might never truely speaken to us or at least not all the time. Thing is also with her supposed weakened state, so many believe in Hydalin and Elidibus shown they can take this beleive as power, so why doens't Hydalin get stronger? While Zodiark, this "long ago sealed away evil" basically with no one knowing even the full truth.

Same for the other gods even, Urianger himself after the last Quest in the sieroom says he starts to question The Twelves origins. This will surely lead to something i say, and honestly i will be happy if Hydalin will not just be the untouchable holy being anymore, considering the peopels believe in her are even more blind then the Ascians had to Zodiark.

Zodiark and Hydalin both are Primae, they see each other as rival same for other primae, it is in there nature simply. Something no one of them can hide, if it is true, then she is the biggest parasite of them all, sucking on the worlds essence since it splitted apart to keep herself going. Ironically that reminds me of the Legacy of Kain series. the Elder God, a parasite posing as a god of Death and Rebirth, while in reality consuming the Souls of the land to feed his hunger, hurting the world in the end and even blaming others for its state.

This would honestly be a good plot twist in my eyes. And not just another Good vs Evil with no grey areas at all, which we gladly had alot, more recent with Elidibus and Emet Selch, only wished they had stayed longer, even Lahabrea.

Main point what worrys me is simply how we not hear anything about her anymore, no medium like Minfillia (thnak god she is hopefully gone for good) used to talk to us even, it feels liek she got caught honestly with the whole Primae oiginof her and Zodiark.

Do people even believe in Hydaelyn though? I have the impression that very few people even know the mother crystal is a thing.

Originally Posted by Saix027

I mean think about it, they both supposedly are balance to each other in a way, Hydalin won and banished Zodiark, shatterign him in pieces, i doubt there even is a full Zodiark anymore if only remains like with Elidibus. The thing here is, we kept beating the Ascians over and over, we prevent another calamity even, beaten Primae after Primae not always resummoned anymore. Yet she still is supposedly in a weak state and Zodiark who was in pieces gets stronger? This all smells simply fishy to me.

Primals feed off of the faith of their worshipers. What's the difference between Zodiark and Hydaelyn? Zodiark was cut up into 14 parts and sealed, and has worshipers in the form of the Ascians who summoned him. Hydaelyn has no worshipers because her summoners sacrificed themselves to summon her, and is using all her energy to keep the seal going. It makes perfect sense why she's losing power, she doesn't have a proper energy source like Zodiark and has been steadily using hers while Zodiark has been unable to use his because it's under lock and key.

I imagine something like a large-scale voidsent incursion might get the dragons to get pro-active.

Because voidsent armageddon is not something you can easily isolate yourself and hide from, so fighting pretty much becomes unavoidable at that point if you don't want to get gobbled. They'd be forced to fight to avoid being eaten by the demonic hordes. There'd be no hiding and waiting it out like they usually do when large-scale disasters occur, because this disaster will actively follow and hunt them down.

And with everyone else being in the same situation...

If you want to a joint Spoken/Dragon war effort, that should do the trick.

As for how such a situation would come about...blame Fandaniel and/or Zenos. If anyone would have both the means to cause such a thing and the willingness to actually do it, it would be them. Xande doesn't count because he's already been dealt with.

Originally Posted by Mixt

I imagine something like a large-scale voidsent incursion might get the dragons to get pro-active.

Because voidsent armageddon is not something you can easily isolate yourself and hide from, so fighting pretty much becomes unavoidable at that point if you don't want to get gobbled. They'd be forced to fight to avoid being eaten by the demonic hordes. There'd be no hiding and waiting it out like they usually do when large-scale disasters occur, because this disaster will actively follow and hunt them down.

And with everyone else being in the same situation...

If you want to a joint Spoken/Dragon war effort, that should do the trick.

As for how such a situation would come about...blame Fandaniel and/or Zenos. If anyone would have both the means to cause such a thing and the willingness to actually do it, it would be them. Xande doesn't count because he's already been dealt with.

There is something to think about there. Like maybe the 8th calamity is still bound to happen? Guess we'll know more in the next two patches.