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    SecretCrowds's Avatar
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    Cerys Fairbairn
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    Question about our dear Elidibus and his motives.

    Sorry if this has been discussed already. But something still confuses me about the MSQ. What was the reason for Elidibus making all those people see the starfall and think they are the Warriors of Light? I can’t seem to piece it together with what he did at the climax, summoning all those other-world heroes to fight the scions and all.
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    Mieck Corcoczeck
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    Many thoughts


    MSQ
    One of my favourite dungeons, followed by one of my favourite trials, topped by Alisaie continuing TO BE BEST TWIN.

    I had the same thought as Moose on the Alchemist being an upcoming job hint.

    I'm not sure how much to make of this observation, but I wondered whether there is a link between the fact that the Convocation's memories were stored in constellation stones, and the fact that the memory of the Final Days is the starshowers. I'd need to go back and check my screens shots of the text to see if there's any links to be had). I'm still not sure where I sit between wondering if the Twelve are an echo of the Convocation or an echo of those who summoned Hydaelyn. The Azem /Azeyma / Azim (which is later speculated upon by Urianger in the Rising Stones) makes me lean towards the Convocation, but I feel it is up in the air. On the Azeyma link, kinda felt like a nice little link since I've been Sun Cat the whole way through.

    I was very pleased we finally got a look behind the door in the Rising Stones, which I've personally thought has been overdue for several patches - I thought we might see it at the start of 5.0.

    In the end, it is really very fitting that this is the Dark Knight expansion, because it's the expansion storyline that has been all about the WOL/D from the start.


    As for the tease - I think we'll actually have these two (Zenos and Fandaniel) squared away before we hit 6.0. In the same way we didn't really get any hint of the Shadowbringers arc until most of the way into patch 4.4 (with the mission, The Call), I think there's much more interesting territory to be investigated than Garlemald, such as what it was that really caused Zodiark to be summoned in the first place - the cause of the Final Days, and also why the rebels went off to summon Hydaelyn - in the Anamnesis Anyder cutscenes, they talk about how the Convocation's solution will not work. It seems to me that Hydaelyn was specifically designed to weaken the power of Creation magics, by weakening the souls who could use them. All of that appears to still be in play.




    Sorrow of Werlyt
    The new arrangement of Penitus / A Land Long Dead that plays in Terncliff is lovely! But.... but.... My favourite piece of lore forum headcanon is now dead! It wasn't Nero that saved Gaius...


    Valens... is a piece of work...
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    Werlyt thoughts

    Not too much in the way of new lore, but if Terncliff is a preview of the kinds of towns we'll be seeing in 6.x, then I'm rather excited to journey to Ilsabard. Piloting the G-Weapon was fun, and they really went all out with making the thing a homage to classic mecha anime with the posing and some of the dialogue choices. I do wonder if it's going to get further use in the future,

    I am curious to learn why the heck Gaius' kids are so hell-bent on going through the weapon project despite knowing full well they'll likely end up dying in the process.

    The new legatus is about as much of a scumbag as I might've expected and that last exchange he has with Allie was a bit...suggestive.
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Unukalhai has new dialogue unsurprisingly and...

    He's torn over what happened. He acknowledges the necessity of our plight on the first and our actions against his savior Elidibus, but while he's glad that the rejoining ended he could not help but mourn the man who saved his life. It's a small, but bittersweet update to Unukalhai's character and makes me hope that he might eventually come back as a character sometime in the future. Particularly given his relationship to Elidibus and the Thirteenth shard if this next expansion is to be the last to deal with the Ascians, as it seems to be hinting at.
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    MSQ: Up to Hero's Gauntlet

    I have to say i made the right call doing the MSQ as AST. It adds a lot of flavor into Etched in the Stars
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    I am still very interested about the Soul Crystal


    There are several ways the Soul Crystal can bring about future events and that is....

    1) Later in 6.0 Expansion storyline WoL unlocks the powers of his original self.

    2) The Soul Crystal will be the source for one of the 6.0 Expansion's new Jobs.

    3) All of the above.

    The symbol of the Soul Crystal is the Sun which means the power of the original self is the Power of the Sun. If it turns out to be a new Job then there is only one job I am aware about in FF series that focus on using the Power of the Sun and that is Rain's Grandshelt Knight Job from FF Brave Exvius.


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    Frankly, by the start of SHB, I expected our view of Hydaelyn's perspective would be cast into a degree of doubt to an extent.

    However, it seems this was not meant to be as she is still pretty much presented as that benevolent force, no matter what. It's interesting that even though we were presented with a different pov from the antagonist side, in essence the more traditional idealism of the hero vs. all remains pretty rooted in the narrative.
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    K'ore Cir
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    MSQ finished

    I have to say, the end of ShB felt rushed and very shallow to me (in comparison to ShB itself).

    They build up the whole lore with Amaurot, the origins of the Ascians, hinting us to be the 14th member of the convocation so slow and steady throughout ShB - just to end it so very quickly again? Elidibus suddenly gone, all of the Ascian Overlords suddenly gone - it just feels extremely rushed to me.

    I feel like the whole plot with Amaurot etc. could have lasted for another expansion. I found it very interesting and fell in love with it during ShB. There would have been so many opportunities to flesh the story out further. Tbh, I had liked it, if we had been to rejoin the shards together with Elidibus, but through a way without bloodshed. I had liked to bring the Ascians back. And now, suddenly everything is just gone. The emotional depth and deepness of the story - gone. Us being the 14th member of the convocation - meaningless? Makes me doubt why they put so much effort into ShB in the first place.

    And now we are to deal with Zenos? While great characters like Emet-Selch and his marvelous story are just not relevant anymore?

    To me FF14 feels robbed of all it's content atm.
    They could as well end the game as it is at this point.
    Doesn't feel good right now.
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    MSQ stuff, round two. Just something that's been bugging me since I remembered I took this screenshot.

    I went back and checked, and Ryne was present for the illusory starshower in 5.2. Everyone who awakened to the Echo in that scene heard Hydaelyn's voice, and characters who already had the Echo (namely, the WoL) also heard Her.

    Ryne has, as of 5.3, never heard Her voice. Either she doesn't recognize Hydaelyn's voice as belonging to Her, or she doesn't have the Echo. But she possesses Minfilia's soul, and Minfilia did have the Echo. I'm thoroughly confused on this—what is actually going on with this girl's soul?
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