Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.3

Originally Posted by Crushnight

The Sorrow of Welyt

The fight was fun enough but I wish Regula van Hydros got more and the fact his data was used with the worst weapon and used by the worst pilot is disappointing to say the least.

To be fair.

Regula is likely considered a traitor to Garlemald like Gaius and unlike him didn't have any feats like say conquering Ala Mhigo to his name. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some spite going around, assuming Emerald and Diamond were in later stages of development, and that Garlemald knew Regula defected during the Triad arc.

Plus the Pilot swap was unintentional to an extent as one of them wanted to sacrifice himself to save the life of his more competent brethren (namely the actual indented pilot), especially with the new knowledge that piloting the WEAPONs are inherently suicide missions.

That said, the fact that any of this was allowed to happen at all proves that Valens is the worst of scum, and given recent developments with Zenos and Fandaniel I doubt he'd be the last we'd see of such scum.

A few sides notes though, the first being that I expect an Amethyst Weapon somewhere in the storyline now, because Valens strikes me as that egotistical. The other side note is that Regulas' surname is Hydrus,

Some more thoughts.

G'raha and his soul

I really wonder how dense his soul is now...when we rejoined with Ardbert our soul got more dense. We are now 9 parts of the old soul..but G'raha should be over a complete Anicent soul right now. His old self already had 8 parts and now he rejoined with his 9 parts, which means that he should be complete right now. It would be a bit different if he only gave his memories but we do know that he also gave his soul. So seeing how it was all the time before that, he should now be really powerful and kinda like an Ancient right? (It could of course be that SE never thought about that and just handwave it away somehow..)

Also Elidibus was not able to control him because his soul was so dense. Doesnt this mean that at a certain amount of rejoinings they would not be able to possess people anymore or with great difficulty? Also if all the people are nearly rejoined after some more calamities..wouldnt there be a point where this huge amount of people would become a serious threat?

Ascians and their memories

This patch, and especially Elidibus situation, really showed that the Ancient one were just as flawed as we are and also suffered memory loss. Which makes Emets declaration that we cant be trusted to keep their memories alive kinda ironic. He himself cant even remember the faces of his people. No matter when they will always appear like the faceless mask wearing humans. Even when he recognized our soul he only saw such a being. I know of course that this was mostly done by SE, probably to not create so many faces and to keep them a mystery. But just viewing this purely from an ingame point of view its quite telling that neither Hythlo nor us have a face too.

And Elidibus is even worse. We see directly into his old memories and even though we can hear distinct voices, the faces are still not really there.

Welps seems there is a ingame explanation for my first point..

Originally Posted by Iscah

Post-game dialogue sort of covers this.

It sounds like soul density is linked to how many unique pieces you've got, and duplicates somehow don't count. Let's just take his word on it and not think too hard. He's done the research, at least.

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And it does feel like handwaving to me...

Originally Posted by Erendis

Was I the only one who got an impression that G'raha's soul was not transfered, only his memories? I thought it was sad to loose another person who was 9/14, since Source G'raha is only 8/14.

Tenfold nothing

More G'raha stuff:

if you talk to him in Rising Stones and ask how he's faring, he talks about his soul density and how its denser than he was expecting, and he postulates that its b/c he'd undergone an additional rejoining in the 8th umbral timeline. So he's definitely saying his soul came over.

I thought it was weird that his soul infuses the vessel and yet he is still clearly conscious in his crystallizing body, cus after it glows he looks at us and smiles and nods. How do you do that if your soul is no longer in your body?

So I was very confused about why Ryne was actually smiling in the end of that scene, especially when the WoL looks sad. I thought he'd died and we had a SOMA situation. Which, to be fair, we still might, I suppose? Either that, or the last traces of his soul went into the vessel after he crystallized? I don't know.

Originally Posted by Alleluia

More G'raha stuff:

if you talk to him in Rising Stones and ask how he's faring, he talks about his soul density and how its denser than he was expecting, and he postulates that its b/c he'd undergone an additional rejoining in the 8th umbral timeline. So he's definitely saying his soul came over.

I thought it was weird that his soul infuses the vessel and yet he is still clearly conscious in his crystallizing body, cus after it glows he looks at us and smiles and nods. How do you do that if your soul is no longer in your body?

So I was very confused about why Ryne was actually smiling in the end of that scene, especially when the WoL looks sad. I thought he'd died and we had a SOMA situation. Which, to be fair, we still might, I suppose? Either that, or the last traces of his soul went into the vessel after he crystallized? I don't know.

About the vessel part

I wondered about it too. And not only that..but he has transported his memories in there quite some time until he fully went into it..so how was he still remembering stuff? The same with the scions. Shouldnt giving something your memories not kinda take them away from you? Or is this just like coping them?

Originally Posted by Lauront

It's here.

Whether it makes sense or not (and we can see just how easily they can try force things to make sense, whether the end result is satisfactory, or not), the wording confirms what that poster said. Much the same with Emet-Selch, with the "it is believed". Perhaps there is something to the headcanon that souls really are indestructible, white auracite or not, and all that happens is that the soul is forced back into the Lifestream for rebirth; Lahabrea's was trapped in the eyes at the time. To me the way this reads is that they're being non-committal.

So Elidibus "emotional" reaction towards the death of the other two unsundered barely means anything if seemingly Lahabrea survived that long..Did none of the unsundered at least thought to check out the eye?

About the vessel:

Originally Posted by Alleo

I wondered about it too. And not only that..but he has transported his memories in there quite some time until he fully went into it..so how was he still remembering stuff? The same with the scions. Shouldnt giving something your memories not kinda take them away from you? Or is this just like coping them?

It certainly seems that they're creating a copy of the memories rather than a direct transfer. For definite proof, there's the Exarch's farewell to Lyna where he talks about his memories of her, so he's clearly still in possession of them even after he's placed them in the crystal.

Edit to add: I suppose it's a bit like job stones, however they work exactly. The user acquires knowledge from the stone without removing it from the permanent record, and imprints their own knowledge on it presumably without losing it themself.

Some speculation pertaining to G'raha

I think he might had gotten help with Beq Lugg, who is a noted expert on soulcraft, or otherwise found out how to split his soul. And the strange thing is that there is a precedent. Sundering aside, Feo Ul as Titania let a little piece of themself travel with the WoL (and both of them show up in the Gauntlet).

It's also possible that he was using the Tower to animate his corpse while his souls is int he crystal. Like a Frankenstein's monster of course, with the tower ebing attuned to him ensuring that there is continuity