Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.3

You mean Emet, Elidibus and Lahabrea.

Elidibus was explained by him becoming a primal..

Emet can be explained as Hades and from his Tales from the Shadow, being close to the life stream...(complete speculation on my part) the best I can guess with Lahabrea is mad scientist. (Again lightning flashes and he goes all Dr Frankenstein on us)

Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

but Elidibus

did not become a primal. the one we knew since 2.1 IS a primal. He is no real Ascian. the original one was sacrificed for Zodiark's summoning. it is questionable if "our" Elidibus ever witnessed Zodiark in action.

In the English version of of the cutscene in amaurot

Y'shtola clearly states that she knows he sacrificed himself to become the heart of Zodiak but and I quote, "How you became separated from Him isn't clear. But if you are a fragment of His being, it stands to reason that the world's salvation drives you." And he acknowledges it.

Meaning

he wasn't just created from nothing but was created as himself but in a primal form and seeing as how he has the original memories Elidibus as well. Granted those memories have been eroding over time due to him trying to fulfill his objective as a primal but is most likely still Elidibus the true one or a small part. However, they others still considered him unsundered most likely as they did not realize exactly what happened to him if he can even be considered aundered due to being said primal.

Originally Posted by Rannie

In the English version of of the cutscene in amaurot

Y'shtola clearly states that she knows he sacrificed himself to become the heart of Zodiak but and I quote, "How you became separated from Him isn't clear. But if you are a fragment of His being, it stands to reason that the world's salvation drives you." And he acknowledges it.

Meaning

he wasn't just created from nothing but was created as himself but in a primal form and seeing as how he has the original memories Elidibus as well. Granted those memories have been eroding over time due to him trying to fulfill his objective as a primal but is most likely still Elidibus the true one or a small part. However, they others still considered him unsundered most likely as they did not realize exactly what happened to him if he can even be considered aundered due to being said primal.

doesn't really change my initial question why exactly the other 2 were unsundered. especially Lahabrea. I think Emet mentioned he (Lahabrea) wasn't always that "crazy". his body hopping basically made him like this.

but I feel we'll never get answers to this

They haven't explained how the Unsundered Ascians remained that way after Hydaelyn sundered the world. We may get answers to it someday, we may not. Basically the real answer is, "Because the scriptwriter said so." It's just the way things happened.

Originally Posted by Vyrerus

They haven't explained how the Unsundered Ascians remained that way after Hydaelyn sundered the world. We may get answers to it someday, we may not. Basically the real answer is, "Because the scriptwriter said so." It's just the way things happened.

What this person said very much so

However WHAT I was saying was still speculation some of which were taken on guess to who theybwere and how their powers worked or just being silly. And it wasn't just Elidibus and Lahabrea who were considered unsundered Emet was also. I could even speculate that they were off planet (lahabrea and Emet) when the Sundering took place or even

Elidibus was created as a primal from the heart of Zodiark right as zodiark was getting the Hydaelyn kick

but we still don't know yet.

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Haurchefant came back

While it's true that seemingly the souls of Haurchefant and Ysayle came back to help the WoL and Alphinaud(not Aymeric, he was a witness not a participant) pull the eyes out of Estinien, that's something I chock up to the writers wanting a symmetrical capstone moment, rather than adhering strictly to the in world soul lore, which is already wishy-washy at best. Up to that point we're already shown that despite our first blade of aether not killing Lahabrea, merely banishing him from his host body, that we could use something very much like it to straight up kill an Ascian, and we do kill one when we, with the aid of Moenbryda, kill Nabriales.

The reason Ser Zephirin uses a javelin of light in his attempt to kill the WoL, which Haurchefant thwarts, is to put us down, since the WoL is effectively immortal unless their body is completely destroyed due to The Echo. I guess we could say the writers have never 100% decided whether or not it means soul death, but I'd always considered the Ascian soul destruction context to mean that when blades of light are in play, souls die.

Originally Posted by Alleo

You need a huge amount of aether to pull off killing the soul.

Yeah, and it's been a theme of every MSQ except for Stormblood's. In ARR it's gathering the Crystals of Light, and then later using an aetheric siphon/Tupsimati to do the same thing. In Heavensward it's done again with an eye of Nidhogg. Twice. The sheer amount of aether is never actually specified, and in the earlier showings a sunder Ascian took the same method as an unsundered one, though Lahabrea's soul was directly absorbed into Thordan. For Emet-selch we got a stakes raised version of what's been the case several times before, with yet another completely different happenstance for the death of his soul, being he had a hole punched through it, rather than total oblivion/absorption. Ser Zephirin throws a javelin of pure aether, and it kills Haurchefant, body and soul. Him showing up in the Nidhogg death scene is fan service, imo.

Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

Ascians are immortal because they've already "died".

This is not the case. Ascians are immortal because that is a trait of beings who have perfected control over The Echo. See Zenos, the Sahagin Elder, the WoDs in HW, and even the player controlled WoL. They only need Crystals of Darkness(or Light) to retreat to the rift, or another body to possess, prior to the Blessing of Light being sealed, as demonstrated by Nabriales. It's one of those old plot points that was hastily done away with, and sort of never referenced ever again.

As for a line of dialogue that tells us that their souls are destroyed, it comes from Urianger, the second time the scions convene after defeating Iceheart as Shiva. The line is, "'Tis our belief that an Ascian soul may be permanently undone if smitten by a sufficiently concentrated burst of pure aether."

As for Elidibus

The Exarch first hit him with that huge wave of aether, eroding his soul down to its constituent aether, which is then absorbed by the tower. He is permanently gone, because his soul was undone first, and then absorbed, much like Lahabrea.

How about it being put like this Alleo... I'll just go get my quote from another

Dont think of it as he's living as a forced soul inside of our body... think of it as hes completely merged with our PC and has become one with us, however that doesn't mean that he in essence is truly gone. Nor does it also mean that we could call upon his likeness and voice whenever we pleased, best example was when we desperately wanted to talk to him but Elidibus showed up in said Ardbert's meat suit. I also don't think we magically called him forth but with our help and Seto's ability to see his Master's soul (and it being merged with ours) that we could help bring it more towards the front (so to speak) and give them the final farewell and closure. The Pc also acted more as an intermediary for the two while most of the speaking was going on via more of a Soul communion (via minds eye or third eye for Seto) and we just got to hug a giant amaro for it. It doesn't mean that he's hanging around like I said in our mind doing and thinking perverted things. Setonand he never got closure and that was the PC's way of delivering that kindness to the giant bird.