Thread: DRK QOL changes for 5.4

Originally Posted by Lyth

From experience, it's actually one of the only things that they look at. In particular, these once-in-a-blue-moon Q+A threads are golden opportunities to get them to commit to a change on paper, at which point everything becomes much, much easier. The instructions in the thread itself tell you to upvote rather than reposting. It lets them 'objectively' gauge interest. The JP forums overall do a better job of this than we do. So does General Discussion, because it gets more traffic.

Generally you can trace a lot of big changes, including the removal of slashing/piercing/blunt debuffs, DRK's 4.3 changes, and the more recent Shadowbringers changes, back to a few specific posts. There's one in the healer forums at the moment that's likely going to be very influential going forward, and I think that's rightfully going to be the next big focus. That being said, I think they need to be much more specific on what they want to see changed.

It's easier to determine whether something needs to be forwarded on to the dev team (or even translated, for that matter!) by looking at the little number in the corner than it is to trawl through the content of every post looking for the good idea in the haystack.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

There's a Live Letter Q+A thread going on at the moment about proposed UI improvements. Living Dead could do with some UI support, at bare minimum:
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Originally Posted by Lyth

I don't get the sense that the dev team actually understands how any of the jobs work as a cohesive whole beyond their initial release. The worst examples of this occurs during expansions, where they nearly randomly rip out essential abilities to make room for new ones. Fingers crossed that it all works out. They really need to hire a team large enough to take on management of all the jobs that they keep adding.

Speaking of speed boosts, removing the speed effect from Blood Weapon was a really bad idea. It really changes the feel of the job. They should have kept it on as a Darkside effect instead.

Highly doubt they will make that kind of investment... they have proven to go the World Of Warcraft approach of borrowed power, homogenization, and "perfect balance" and the only choice you have is play a terrible game or go play a game that isn't terrible...

Originally Posted by Lyth

I don't get the sense that the dev team actually understands how any of the jobs work as a cohesive whole beyond their initial release. The worst examples of this occurs during expansions, where they nearly randomly rip out essential abilities to make room for new ones. Fingers crossed that it all works out. They really need to hire a team large enough to take on management of all the jobs that they keep adding.

Speaking of speed boosts, removing the speed effect from Blood Weapon was a really bad idea. It really changes the feel of the job. They should have kept it on as a Darkside effect instead.

I just started melding a ton of skill speed in, but yeah the other day i caught myself popping blood weapon stupidly forgetting it doesnt do that anymore, and it just depressed me even more. I had a theory about how they got to this point with tanks, but didnt play enough PLD in HW to be sure. Seems to me the dev team looked at what skill was pushed the most on each tank in HW, obviously WAR wanted got more Fell Cleave, so good. Then they look at DRK "they sure do push DA alot, lets have them push that button even more" so people complained about the spam of DA so they went "what is the second most pushed button? BloodSpiller? We'll just give them 5 of those and get rid of DA"

Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Highly doubt they will make that kind of investment... they have proven to go the World Of Warcraft approach of borrowed power, homogenization, and "perfect balance" and the only choice you have is play a terrible game or go play a game that isn't terrible...

They may yet surprise us in 6.0, but like you I have a lot of doubt, Its pretty obvious DRK was just their experimental franken tank, that they just used the good parts as role actions, and scrapped the great parts because it would be too obvious if PLD were running around with blood price proc'd/and or it couldnt benefit WAR as well as it would PLD so toss it. The only good out of all of this, is that....theres really nothing left to take from DRK, except the one damn thing they will never get rid of. Starts with Living, and unironically ends in Dead.

Originally Posted by ADVSS

I just started melding a ton of skill speed in, but yeah the other day i caught myself popping blood weapon stupidly forgetting it doesnt do that anymore, and it just depressed me even more. I had a theory about how they got to this point with tanks, but didnt play enough PLD in HW to be sure. Seems to me the dev team looked at what skill was pushed the most on each tank in HW, obviously WAR wanted got more Fell Cleave, so good. Then they look at DRK "they sure do push DA alot, lets have them push that button even more" so people complained about the spam of DA so they went "what is the second most pushed button? BloodSpiller? We'll just give them 5 of those and get rid of DA"

This argument makes just as much, if not more, sense than my tin-foil conspiracy theory of needing to sell progression skip books on the mog station... unless it happened to both at the same time... which means progression skip books were a mistake to begin with...

Originally Posted by ADVSS

They may yet surprise us in 6.0, but like you I have a lot of doubt, Its pretty obvious DRK was just their experimental franken tank, that they just used the good parts as role actions, and scrapped the great parts because it would be too obvious if PLD were running around with blood price proc'd/and or it couldnt benefit WAR as well as it would PLD so toss it. The only good out of all of this, is that....theres really nothing left to take from DRK, except the one damn thing they will never get rid of. Starts with Living, and unironically ends in Dead.

They could delete both Living Dead AND Living Shadow, and I wouldn't even care that those two "skills" were gone... then again Living Shadow was probably an attempt at trying to replicate GNB Gnashing Fang+Continuation burst but just felt more like a worse Demi-Bahamut and you cannot refund it the lost blood gauge or the recast timer if you waste it... just like Living Dead...

Originally Posted by Lyth

I don't get the sense that the dev team actually understands how any of the jobs work as a cohesive whole beyond their initial release. The worst examples of this occurs during expansions, where they nearly randomly rip out essential abilities to make room for new ones. Fingers crossed that it all works out. They really need to hire a team large enough to take on management of all the jobs that they keep adding.

Speaking of speed boosts, removing the speed effect from Blood Weapon was a really bad idea. It really changes the feel of the job. They should have kept it on as a Darkside effect instead.

Speaking of speed boosts, I wonder how many DRK knew that DRK and WAR play style swapping didn't just only happen recently in this patch? it has already been done by Yoshida since Heavensward era.

Counter mechanic is warrior/berserker's play style while Life steal belong to DRK.


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