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  1. #71
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    NyneSwordz's Avatar
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    No one has a bias against Dark feedback. There's an annoyance about Dark's dragging Wars into a thread whenever they don't get what they want. Why not just keep it constructive and post what you want instead of starting drama. That's all I'm saying. Keep the forums clean and be constructive. Pretty sure people have been banned for starting drama in the past. I'm not sure if SE is still enforcing it as strictly nowadays though.

    QQ about your lack of updates. That's fine. But it's pretty petty to drag other people into a fight because you're unhappy. But you're right of course. I won't be responding to these threads anymore looking to bait a response. I unsubbed for nearly a year because War gameplay was clunky imo. I should just go enjoy the game now that I finally got most of the changes I wanted after more than a year.
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  2. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    I hope you're not serious.
    Unlike JP forums which do keep topics to singular-ish threads of the same topic, NA would rather have more and more posts addressing the issue, hoping that "more threads is more people wanting more," or something idk.

    but actively hoping a dialogue gets silenced because you dont like it? Yes OPs combative tone aint helping their case but that aint to say meaningful things weren't said here.

    Instead of trying to silence posts like these either add something meaningful or ignore them. Because while you've waited "over a year" for QoL changes for WAR, GNB's have been waiting as long for the SFX to be reverted from 5.01. DRK's have been waiting since god knows when for the dev team to listen to complaints from the players. 5.0 hasn't stopped those, and as time goes on it just further demonstrates a seeming bias against DRK feedback.
    Yeah and what has that got to do with Wars is what I'm asking? No one is trying to silence anybody. Anywho. Peace.
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyneSwordz View Post
    No one has a bias against Dark feedback. There's an annoyance about Dark's dragging Wars into a thread whenever they don't get what they want. Why not just keep it constructive and post what you want instead of starting drama. That's all I'm saying. Keep the forums clean and be constructive. Pretty sure people have been banned for starting drama in the past. I'm not sure if SE is still enforcing it as strictly nowadays though.

    QQ about your lack of updates. That's fine. But it's pretty petty to drag other people into a fight because you're unhappy. But you're right of course. I won't be responding to these threads anymore looking to bait a response. I unsubbed for nearly a year because War gameplay was clunky imo. I should just go enjoy the game now that I finally got most of the changes I wanted after more than a year.
    I don’t think it’s unreasonable for SE to get an ear full about a lack of updates to a given class when another class in that role gets updates... they should expect this - this is a paid service. When one class gets updates (and I’m not saying WAR shouldn’t have had these qol adjustments) it’s only natural for mains of a different job in the same role to say “what about my completely reasonable job adjustment that has been overlooked?”... like blood weapon acting like all the other 10 sec abilities... or the LD sucking for years...

    Where are these posts when those that aren’t even tank mains come to the defense of LD just to troll??! - it’s indefensible btw. I’m an Omni tank, main DRK, and I rarely can be bothered to post in non-DRK threads... maybe I don’t see it bcs I don’t often read other exclusive gnb, war, pld threads but it sure seems like wars tend to get exactly what they ask for within a reasonable time while DRKs have traditionally been overlooked when their are issues... it’s fairly obvious war is a favorite and it’s treated that way. I don’t want to tear down WARs... I want similar qol adjustments that are easy and seemingly have every reason to take care of like BW... or if SE would directly address the reason for not doing it I’d take that too.

    Maybe we are going to end up talking past each other on this one but I take issue with conflating being argumentative for it’s own sake with being passionate about a job that seems to be abandoned for two years at a time...
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    Last edited by Danelo; 08-13-2020 at 09:43 PM. Reason: Typos

  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyneSwordz View Post
    No one is trying to silence anybody. Anywho. Peace.
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    I already reported the thread and I hope it gets locked.
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  5. #75
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    Meanwhile... I am loving WAR now! It honestly feels way more satisfying to play then even my Paladin. Paladin for me has become routine and I for one wanted some variety in my tanking areas.

    Warrior is simply perfect now, and I believe this is what it should have been from ARR to now. And for fear of backlash I also think DRK is just fine the way it is. I even think WAR having a simple 1-2-3 combo with a 4 once in a while, pales to DRK's many paths that it can take.

    Comparing DRK to WAR is like comparing a segway to a stakeboard. They both do the same thing, but operate differently.

    Warrior- go on hurt me I can take it, I live for this! Feed the aggression!
    Dark knight - go on try it *cast TBN*, I deserve the pain!
    Paladin - Mitigate this! I have a counter for everything!
    Gunbreaker - Imma kill that thing before it kills me. *Bloodfest*
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  6. #76
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    LOL that one guy who replied to me is so ignorant I can't even bring myself to make a proper response. It'd take too long. Imagine talking down to someone who's used both WAR and DRK to tank all three ultimates, multiple savage tiers worth of knowledge and optimization, and has talked to many hardcore players about DRK, WAR, GNB, and such and to treat them like they are some green boy, wet behind the ears fool who knows nothing.

    Y I K E S.

    My comment about NF was about how the OP is spewing some ignorance about how WAR was busted by these "buffs" when they are very far from being "Buffs".

    I said that Nascent is NOW USEABLE IN SOLO CONTENT AND SITUATIONS WHERE YOU ARE THE LAST ONE ALIVE.

    Reference to the CHANGE IN THE CURRENT PATCH. I assumed that everyone would know that this was a change and have knowledge about how the skill worked before.

    Good lord people on these forums....
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  7. #77
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    The issue is people focusing on complaining about WAR, as if that is affecting DRK in some way. It doesn't.
    DRK's problems are DRK's problems, you need to stop comparing it to WAR otherwise you can't be taken seriously.
    Living Dead needs to have a healing buff attached to it full stop. I'd argue it needs to be a 50% boost to healing in order to match the other tanks.

    Now as for other changes, it would be good if blood weapon was buffed to have a reduced cooldown, OR, siphon strike increasing the amount of mana regenerated. This would give more resources for DRK to use and speed up its damage gameplay, and wouldnt make TDN punishing to use in the event you make the error of using it on anything besides a tank buster.
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  8. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiron View Post
    The issue is people focusing on complaining about WAR, as if that is affecting DRK in some way. It doesn't.
    DRK's problems are DRK's problems, you need to stop comparing it to WAR otherwise you can't be taken seriously.
    Living Dead needs to have a healing buff attached to it full stop. I'd argue it needs to be a 50% boost to healing in order to match the other tanks.

    Now as for other changes, it would be good if blood weapon was buffed to have a reduced cooldown, OR, siphon strike increasing the amount of mana regenerated. This would give more resources for DRK to use and speed up its damage gameplay, and wouldnt make TDN punishing to use in the event you make the error of using it on anything besides a tank buster.
    I agree with this. When I do play DRK I don't want TBN to feel pigeon holed as "tank buster block". I have moments when i'm nearly capped on MP and 50 sec left on darkness. I just pop TBN for the added mitigation, so what if it doesn't break. I mitigated some damage for the healer to DPS. I know it's not implied for the healer to "know" this, but I would think if I was on my astro I would see the tank is fine...dps time!

    I think DRK imo could benefit from Dark Arts more. It should bring back the same buffs for Souleater, Abyssal, Delirium, Carve and Spit. If i'm capped on MP don't use flood or edge, but use Souleater for a large HP boost. Capped on HP and MP, use with delirium for 20% more dps for 10 seconds. (10% from Darkness and 10% from Dark Arts).

    I actually miss Dark Arts, and knowing when to use it correctly for added benefits. This would also make TBN used more besides flood and edge procs, this would just modify the skills without procing. It's kind of the best of both worlds for DRK. Adjust the potency
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  9. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    I actually miss Dark Arts, and knowing when to use it correctly for added benefits. This would also make TBN used more besides flood and edge procs, this would just modify the skills without procing. It's kind of the best of both worlds for DRK. Adjust the potency
    Careful with those DARK ARTS controversial opinions DARK ARTS there bud. The DARK ARTS hive mind has DARK ARTS already DARK ARTS said that DARK ARTS dark arts spam was DARK ARTS bad for gameplay.
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  10. #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    Careful with those DARK ARTS controversial opinions DARK ARTS there bud. The DARK ARTS hive mind has DARK ARTS already DARK ARTS said that DARK ARTS dark arts spam was DARK ARTS bad for gameplay.
    Tis DARK ARTS to speak of DARK ARTS. ROFL DARK ARTS!
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