5.3 COMPLETE patch notes

**kwsapphire** · 08-12-2020 05:53 AM

So.. I didn't see this in the patch notes..

Poetics accessories used to cost 180, now they're 280. Looks like all the L70 gear got a price bump, tho I haven't checked the L60 & L50 poetics gear. Stealth nerf! ;]

OTOH, stuff you have equipped or in your Armory Chest no longer count against your "you can only have one of this unique item" limit, so you can buy a single dupe of stuff and keep it in your inventory to turn in for seals. Stealth buff! xD

**ForteNightshade** · 08-12-2020 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

So literally just like every other job in the game. You're not optimizing anything until you know the fight front to back, that's what optimization means to begin with.

Notice how I said "optimize your movement tools"? Movement being the key word. No other job has to consider their positioning throughout a fight like Black Mage. More than half the DPS don't give it more than a passing thought.

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Different, yes. Harder, no. They are completely different playstyles. RDM play in high end content revolves around making the best use of dualcast and movement every other GCD to handle mechanics while performing your rotation to the best of your ability. Black Mage gameplay on the other hand involves timing your movement around periods of completely stationary play. While RDM has more frequent movement, It is BLM who enjoys more burst movement and the ability to pick when and where to move without sacrificing any of their main DPS rotation. When RDM gains an ability that allows them to teleport straight to safety with no drawback (or when RDM can stack scorch casts and use them at any time they wish) then maybe you will have a point, but they don't - Their movement is done during dualcast and then they have to stop and cast again.

Dualcast is built into Red Mage's entire rotation, and while it may be a DPS loss to mismanage it, you can still perform effectively. Black Mage, on the other hand, cannot. It's movement tools are on lengthily CDs and needs to learn the entire fight rotation to plan around when best to utilize them. A mistake will possibly mean the loss of Enochian—which is massive DPS loss. Whether you like it not, Red Mage is widely ranked among the easiest jobs to play. Conversely, Black Mage is considered among the hardest. That isn't inherently a dig to Red Mage nor does it imply the job lacks any mastery. Dragoon is arguably the easiest melee yet look at its popularity. You're just taking a community consensus as a personal attack.

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

That's nice, but if you think learning a fight on RDM is going to help you much on BLM, then I don't know what to tell ya. More likely, those BLMs do it for the chain rez more than because they think playing the fight on RDM is going to help them on BLM.

Except it does. If you're able to see the fight mechanics you can plan accordingly on where optimal uses of Triple Cast, Sharp Cast, Swiftcast and etc.

**tdb** · 08-12-2020 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by kwsapphire

Poetics accessories used to cost 180, now they're 280. Looks like all the L70 gear got a price bump, tho I haven't checked the L60 & L50 poetics gear. Stealth nerf! ;]

In return all the poetics gear is now 10 ilevels stronger thanks to being pre-upgraded. Can't say I agree with this really; it reduces the amount of gear you can get, so the overall end result is weaker (unless you farm more).

**Iscah** · 08-12-2020 07:41 AM

I called it - ARR dungeons are now dropping individual gear sets with a mix of ARR and later expansion models. Aetherial jewellery is still a thing.

At a quick run through a couple of dungeons:

HALATALI: Doctore's set as before; extra pieces added. Can get weapons from first room detour and the chain winches.

HAUKKE:
Tank: Scale mail
DOW: shoes are Pagos sandals
DOM: Plain halfrobe BUT shoes using the Crimson/Royal shoes from Labyrinth

QARN:
Tank:
DOW: Fistfighter set (though in a boring khaki brown)
DOM: Cowl with mask

CUTTER'S CRY:
Same assorted gear as before; drops new weapons. Got a basic star globe and a BLM staff that looks like Laevatinn.

STONE VIGIL:
Tank/DRG: Haubergeon/sollerets
DOW: Holy Rainbow shirt/sarouel
DOM: Warlock set (basic mage robe)
Weapons drop from first boss as well as final.

AURUM VALE:
DOM: Ruby Cotton chasuble (Lv64 crafted healer) - giving casters access to this and presumably the matching circlet.

**Veis_Alveare** · 08-12-2020 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Different, yes. Harder, no.

I missed this but you can get an objective look into the actual difficulty of a job on a fight by fight basis by looking at the range of potential dps that job contributes.

A larger range means there is greater difference between the top and bottom performers, a smaller range means there is less of a gap and therefore less to optimize.

RDM is routinely one of the jobs with the smallest range, up there with DNC. BLM is almost always the greatest range because there is so much more to manage in order to do well.

Saying they're equivalent in difficulty (especially with no visible savage mounts, so presumably no experience playing either job at a higher end) might make you feel better in the short term but its just not true.

None of this means RDM/you are bad, from what I'm able to tell you're a good RDM and that's awesome, but it would be better to look at these things objectively than to just be angry when people point out simple facts.

I'm glad you enjoy your job and I hope you stick with it!

**Liam_Harper** · 08-12-2020 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by kwsapphire

Poetics accessories used to cost 180, now they're 280. Looks like all the L70 gear got a price bump, tho I haven't checked the L60 & L50 poetics gear. Stealth nerf! ;]

Basically they're the same Augmented items, you just get to buy them straight up for the same total poetic cost and skip fiddling around with Glazes and Twines and multiple NPC's.

However, it seems they forgot Rings are unique and that buying one augmented and one regular was the only way to bypass that. So now you can only use one poetic ring, which is indeed a nerf.

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Different, yes. Harder, no.

BLM is far harder to master and optimize than RDM. It's not even close.

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

That's nice, but if you think learning a fight on RDM is going to help you much on BLM, then I don't know what to tell ya.

BLM is very reliant on knowing the fight well and having a plan mapped out. Seeing the fight on an easier class and becoming familiar with the pattern for mechanics is obviously beneficial.

**tdb** · 08-12-2020 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

However, it seems they forgot Rings are unique and that buying one augmented and one regular was the only way to bypass that. So now you can only use one poetic ring, which is indeed a nerf.

Not a very important nerf though, since you'll only be using them a short while. Optimizing gear while leveling is not worth it IMO. Unless someone refuses to buy the latest expansion and pretends their "endgame" content is relevant and worth optimizing for? Does someone actually do that?

**kwsapphire** · 08-12-2020 10:38 AM

Re: Poetics Gear - Ahh, I see! That makes sense, thank you Liam and TBD.

Re: RDM v BLM - As a newer player, I definitely find BLM a more complicated class to play than RDM. Not only is battlefield awareness more important because of the long cast times, but there are just *so* *many* *more* powers to manage, and you have to be in this mode to do that, and do this before this thing ends.. sheesh! I also find Summoner a bit too complicated for my tastes for the same reason. I'll get used to it eventually I am sure, but it feels like a steeper learning curve. My favored role is Healer, so when I go as DPS I guess I need something more simple at the moment.. I prefer Dancer.

Just my two cents, of course.

PS - Swapping between RDM and BLM between Duties is such a mind-bender.

**Elkanah** · 08-12-2020 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

That's nice, but if you think learning a fight on RDM is going to help you much on BLM, then I don't know what to tell ya. More likely, those BLMs do it for the chain rez more than because they think playing the fight on RDM is going to help them on BLM.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Except it does. If you're able to see the fight mechanics you can plan accordingly on where optimal uses of Triple Cast, Sharp Cast, Swiftcast and etc.

This. The only reason I was able to learn fights (and do call outs for raids all the time) is because I played RDM. I main tank, but I see everything first and foremost on RDM, (record it privately) and review the content back so I know what I'm looking for on my callouts for the future. Then can hop back on tank or my BLM/SMN and go ham cause I know what I'm looking for, how to advise it and call it out when necessary. And haven't had issues doing it that way since BRD was released (back in ARR). Same concept, different position type of job that I can focus solely on mechanic learning and advising as I progress.

**CatStarPrime** · 08-12-2020 12:42 PM

Noooooo not my Tri-Disaster!

<grump>

:::goes back to slaying hordes:::

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