Thread: 5.3 COMPLETE patch notes

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Black Mage requires you know the entire fight to properly optimize your movement tools.

So literally just like every other job in the game. You're not optimizing anything until you know the fight front to back, that's what optimization means to begin with.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

it is far and away harder to master than Red Mage, and is frankly useless in a prog setting since you aren't prioritizing damage.

Different, yes. Harder, no. They are completely different playstyles. RDM play in high end content revolves around making the best use of dualcast and movement every other GCD to handle mechanics while performing your rotation to the best of your ability. Black Mage gameplay on the other hand involves timing your movement around periods of completely stationary play. While RDM has more frequent movement, It is BLM who enjoys more burst movement and the ability to pick when and where to move without sacrificing any of their main DPS rotation. When RDM gains an ability that allows them to teleport straight to safety with no drawback (or when RDM can stack scorch casts and use them at any time they wish) then maybe you will have a point, but they don't - Their movement is done during dualcast and then they have to stop and cast again.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Many Black Mage mains will prog on Red Mage and strategize how the fight would go on Black Mage. It isn't a matter they can't prog on Black Mage, it's just harder. You can deny it all you fancy but Red Mage is considered the "easy" caster because, well, it is.

That's nice, but if you think learning a fight on RDM is going to help you much on BLM, then I don't know what to tell ya. More likely, those BLMs do it for the chain rez more than because they think playing the fight on RDM is going to help them on BLM.

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

That's nice, but if you think learning a fight on RDM is going to help you much on BLM, then I don't know what to tell ya. More likely, those BLMs do it for the chain rez more than because they think playing the fight on RDM is going to help them on BLM.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Except it does. If you're able to see the fight mechanics you can plan accordingly on where optimal uses of Triple Cast, Sharp Cast, Swiftcast and etc.

This. The only reason I was able to learn fights (and do call outs for raids all the time) is because I played RDM. I main tank, but I see everything first and foremost on RDM, (record it privately) and review the content back so I know what I'm looking for on my callouts for the future. Then can hop back on tank or my BLM/SMN and go ham cause I know what I'm looking for, how to advise it and call it out when necessary. And haven't had issues doing it that way since BRD was released (back in ARR). Same concept, different position type of job that I can focus solely on mechanic learning and advising as I progress.

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Different, yes. Harder, no.

I missed this but you can get an objective look into the actual difficulty of a job on a fight by fight basis by looking at the range of potential dps that job contributes.

A larger range means there is greater difference between the top and bottom performers, a smaller range means there is less of a gap and therefore less to optimize.

RDM is routinely one of the jobs with the smallest range, up there with DNC. BLM is almost always the greatest range because there is so much more to manage in order to do well.

Saying they're equivalent in difficulty (especially with no visible savage mounts, so presumably no experience playing either job at a higher end) might make you feel better in the short term but its just not true.

None of this means RDM/you are bad, from what I'm able to tell you're a good RDM and that's awesome, but it would be better to look at these things objectively than to just be angry when people point out simple facts.

I'm glad you enjoy your job and I hope you stick with it!

Originally Posted by kwsapphire

Poetics accessories used to cost 180, now they're 280. Looks like all the L70 gear got a price bump, tho I haven't checked the L60 & L50 poetics gear. Stealth nerf! ;]

Basically they're the same Augmented items, you just get to buy them straight up for the same total poetic cost and skip fiddling around with Glazes and Twines and multiple NPC's.

However, it seems they forgot Rings are unique and that buying one augmented and one regular was the only way to bypass that. So now you can only use one poetic ring, which is indeed a nerf.

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Different, yes. Harder, no.

BLM is far harder to master and optimize than RDM. It's not even close.

Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

That's nice, but if you think learning a fight on RDM is going to help you much on BLM, then I don't know what to tell ya.

BLM is very reliant on knowing the fight well and having a plan mapped out. Seeing the fight on an easier class and becoming familiar with the pattern for mechanics is obviously beneficial.

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

However, it seems they forgot Rings are unique and that buying one augmented and one regular was the only way to bypass that. So now you can only use one poetic ring, which is indeed a nerf.

Not a very important nerf though, since you'll only be using them a short while. Optimizing gear while leveling is not worth it IMO. Unless someone refuses to buy the latest expansion and pretends their "endgame" content is relevant and worth optimizing for? Does someone actually do that?

Originally Posted by tdb

Not a very important nerf though, since you'll only be using them a short while. Optimizing gear while leveling is not worth it IMO. Unless someone refuses to buy the latest expansion and pretends their "endgame" content is relevant and worth optimizing for? Does someone actually do that?

I do. Pre-4.0, I was still running base game capped at 50. It's a fun experience, actually doing most things near when intended. It's satisfying, being the lowest level in an unsynced T9 group, and seeming like the only one that actually knows how to stay alive. There's actually some challenge in trying to craft for some of the Master books. Overall, it's just a more chill experience, knowing you're not in a rush to the next milestone.