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  1. #1
    Player
    AngelCheese77's Avatar
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    Bjartur Arnason
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 97
    I can’t believe they added attack indicators to Councounter’s attacks in AV. Wow. Making it easier I guess.
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Zalera
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    I'll almost miss x-ethers dropping from old dungeon chests. Almost, in that my playing has dropped off, and I haven't really run those much anymore. But it was kinda nice that I had held onto them for BLM. Sure they're cheap to acquire, but, had a stash on hand as I learned of the quad-Flare.

    Oh, removal of non-augmented poetics gear. That's something. I think I might be slightly screwed over on that, as I had saved up the items for buying GNB/DNC weapons, but haven't yet gotten them to 70 to buy them...
    But, sweet that it sounds like hopefully the rings will no longer conflict. Looking forward to upgrading those.
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    Last edited by Hasrat; 08-11-2020 at 06:17 AM.

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    Jirah's Avatar
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Ultros
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    Bard Lv 100
    MCH being untouched bugs me but I guess that’s what expansions are for

    AST changes are worrying as usual, and BRD potency buff isn’t enough tbh
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    Katie_Kitty's Avatar
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    Princess Whiskers
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    Exodus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    PLD would be what RdM was before the buffs and still is for many parties: training wheels.
    Once prog time is over, WAR/ DRK would be standard. Why bring a tank with stellar defense or self heal if it's overkill and doesn't save your healers GCDs?
    RDM is no such thing, and it never has been. RDM is a legitimate part of the party in its own right. You can argue that the caster role has balancing issues because SMN brings mostly the same utility RDM does as well as more DPS, but reducing my job to "training wheels for prog" really pisses me off. People like you who push this meme are the worst. >:|
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    Player Veis_Alveare's Avatar
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    Veis Alve'are
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    RDM is no such thing, and it never has been. RDM is a legitimate part of the party in its own right. You can argue that the caster role has balancing issues because SMN brings mostly the same utility RDM does as well as more DPS, but reducing my job to "training wheels for prog" really pisses me off. People like you who push this meme are the worst. >:|
    I literally RDM until a fight is basically smooth and then BLM after, or at least did last tier before I swapped to healing.

    It isn't just training wheels for the party (for the raise) but also for me. I learn when the movement heavy parts of a fight are on a job that's nice and forgiving then I can adjust BLM to fit. This usually results in much less of a curve in my BLM parses too, since I'm starting on it with a baseline of where I need movement tools in mind.

    RDM doesn't need to be a training wheels job for you but being mad at other people for using it as one is nonsense, it's a perfect fit.
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    RDM is no such thing, and it never has been. RDM is a legitimate part of the party in its own right. You can argue that the caster role has balancing issues because SMN brings mostly the same utility RDM does as well as more DPS, but reducing my job to "training wheels for prog" really pisses me off. People like you who push this meme are the worst. >:|
    I'm pushing nothing because I don't believe RdM is a training wheel nor have I ever said so. But many parties still consider it such for prog. I've seen enough parties lock caster to Smn/ Blm in PF to know the "training wheel reputation" is still a thing.
    So no need to get your knickers in a twist and attack me. I simply stated what many others still believe, even after signifcant buffs; don't shoot the messenger. Getting aggressive will get you nowhere.
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 08-11-2020 at 09:42 AM.

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    Katie_Kitty's Avatar
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    Exodus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    What Warrior really needs is to do the most damage of any tanks, but not by a little bit, it should be significant.
    WAR, the most damage
    PLD, the most defense
    DRK, The option to use their shadow energy for a lot of defense or to do a lot damage
    GNB, Medium damage. Option for high self healing or high defense
    Yawn, Warriors demanding that their job be the best in the game again, how boring. Warrior belongs in the trash bin. In FFXIV, nothing matters more than damage. What you are saying is you want warrior to be the undisputed king of tanks again and to that I say no thank you.
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    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Loud Jungle
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    Sargatanas
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    Yawn, Warriors demanding that their job be the best in the game again, how boring. Warrior belongs in the trash bin. In FFXIV, nothing matters more than damage. What you are saying is you want warrior to be the undisputed king of tanks again and to that I say no thank you.
    I understand your point. Eventually we're gonna have to ask Square-Enix to have 2 categories for jobs: PVE and PVS/PVU (savage/ultimate). PVE would allow for very creative job balance and mechanics. While PVS/PVU would allow for very complex fights where all the roles are balanced to do similar damage/defense/healing, just in different ways.

    Square-Enix could be pioneers by doing this. Showing other mmorpgs why they're the best mmorpg in the market.
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    but reducing my job to "training wheels for prog" really pisses me off. People like you who push this meme are the worst. >:|
    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    Warrior belongs in the trash bin.
    Whoa... easy on the double standards there.
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    Character
    Regana Redwyne
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    RDM is no such thing, and it never has been. RDM is a legitimate part of the party in its own right. You can argue that the caster role has balancing issues because SMN brings mostly the same utility RDM does as well as more DPS, but reducing my job to "training wheels for prog" really pisses me off. People like you who push this meme are the worst. >:|
    See, you had me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    Yawn, Warriors demanding that their job be the best in the game again, how boring. Warrior belongs in the trash bin. In FFXIV, nothing matters more than damage. What you are saying is you want warrior to be the undisputed king of tanks again and to that I say no thank you.
    ... And you lost me. In only two consecutive posts, too. Gotta be a record.
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