Why is PVP not fun?

[Commander_Justitia]

You can make macros for targeting (direct targeting of role, last person targeted, closest person target, focustarget target, target of target/assist, targeting PC with specific name etc.), you can circle through enemies fast and change if its by depth or cone method, camera adjustment to the enemy you want to target helps too. I feel like it is not much different to other mmo and not thaat big issue.

Feast needs new maps badly(we already have 4 and only can play 1 since years) and suitable more skills for it, start by making optional additionals -> basic skills and replace that variety/picking skills part with your trait menu from 2.x -3.x times on job skills. Change potions into recuperate for all(its animation is faster and doesnt clip gcd like potions) and make it heal a set HP value like 6k but only make it useable every 45s or 1min. Having to spam potions during a burst is the worst feeling ever, you cant optimally wait out the burst either to snapshot the low HP threshold for the max potency condition of the potion.

[Shurrikhan]

Why? Probably because you feel like a bunch of cylinders moving about while trying to drain other cylinders' primary metric rather than characters actually making any sort of contact with each other, all through a separate and vastly watered down battle system.

[Kuroka]

In short i never understood why they didnt move heavens and earth to get another GARO like event... and maybe give out rewards for 25-50-75 wins too, so ppl dont feel like they never make 100 wins. Just some nice glamour or anything, a title... idk why its so hard. Like with the roulett back now, make a "get 30 wins on each pvp map for a special mount - grab the GC horse, slap the pegasus recolored onto it, change a bit, ad some fancy, done.

[Lee0v0xoxo]

I only complainlike in terms of each class changes they are killing the uniqueness of each class.. in order to balance all the classes in pvp essentially all the tanks are the same.. I liked it when paladins had cover and war were burst tank. that was durning patch 4.0

[Divinemights]

I only complainlike in terms of each class changes they are killing the uniqueness of each class.. in order to balance all the classes in pvp essentially all the tanks are the same.. I liked it when paladins had cover and war were burst tank. that was durning patch 4.0

Each job lost some of their signature moves because of Feast balancing; you simply cant have both.
Paladin didn't fully their uniqueness because through out a combination of actions, you still can achieve the cover effect
Warrior is still a burst tank, it is just their burst pacified by the 3 potionss

[Marxam]

I haven't touched PVP/Feast since HW, when WAR was able to solo burst healers with the right berserk rotations and stuns. It was empowering knowing that I could carry the team but at the same time help them if needed but that changed. I think newer players going into this are expecting something like deathmatch in first person shooters where you can literally carry a team with pure skill alone but in this game everything is tuned to where you need to co-ordinate. In a mode with no built in voip support, lobbies, no rank decay (no reason to keep playing after you got your spot) and very few updates. PvP in this game is an after thought partly because they saw that WoW has PvP so why not FFXIV. Sadly the execution is so poor that almost half the time you are fighting the jank game mechanics (which was designed around PvE), if not fighting against the players who are just in it for the marks and glamours and throw the match for you. I feel bad for people trying to get to top 100 after the initial rush of the new feast season because they literally have no way to get there outside of "other means".

[Kaiche]

Why is PVP not fun?

For the simple fact that SE doesn't give a crap about it and hasn't since FRC.

[Gula]

You cant curbstomp, gank or seal club people. No progression to be better than anyone else.

[Waaltar]

You cant curbstomp, gank or seal club people. No progression to be better than anyone else.

It's funny that you say that but I hope you're not serious because this is what ruined most MMO pvp communities for over a decade. The people who actually liked that stuff were extremely vocal and could claim companies were just catering to the players who liked PvP the most and played it the most.

It took years and stuff like gamergate before the industry was willing to confront toxicity and the ways it hurt the bottom line, and tiny pvp communities that were gankers paradises were just so obviously one of them. The whole MMO pvp genre has only just begun to recover from years of catering to the wrong players.

There are thousands and thousands of FFXIV players who will never ever even try PVP no matter what cool rewards they come up with because of that era.

[Gula]

It's funny that you say that but I hope you're not serious because this is what ruined most MMO pvp communities for over a decade. The people who actually liked that stuff were extremely vocal and could claim companies were just catering to the players who liked PvP the most and played it the most.

It took years and stuff like gamergate before the industry was willing to confront toxicity and the ways it hurt the bottom line, and tiny pvp communities that were gankers paradises were just so obviously one of them. The whole MMO pvp genre has only just begun to recover from years of catering to the wrong players.

There are thousands and thousands of FFXIV players who will never ever even try PVP no matter what cool rewards they come up with because of that era.

Games still do it, therefore it still works. After seeing the utter disappointment that was SINoAlice which let you pay to just be better, it's simple- offering a means to be better is what works.