Why is PVP not fun?

[iAxX23]

I think it says a lot about the game when you can't even make killing other players fun.

Even really bad indie games will keep you playing them for some time because being better than other players feels good.

In my opinion I think the issue is the lack of a reward system within the match itself. Look at any MOBA game, they trickle dopamine in your system with every kill you get, it's a constant thing that happens throughout the entire game. And even though you may dislike the game for plenty of other reasons you'll go back to it because you need your dopamine fix.

I decided to try out Rival Wings with some friends and even though we did really well I didn't personally enjoy it that much. The game doesn't even tell you when you kill someone, your soaring stack goes up but that's for the entire party, and when you get to 20 you have no idea if you're actually the one to get the kills.

Every other MMO in some way lets you know that you're badass, you got the last hit, this game doesn't and I can't understand why. It's such a small design element it could be anything honestly a sound, a kill tracker, the damage display being red, bold and 3x the size of other damage numbers on your screen if the damage is fatal. Anything to let you know that you dealt the killing blow would make a big difference in my opinon.

I know the lack of incentives to play PVP is talked a lot about in this forum. But personally I believe the mode itself has to be enjoyable rather than an external thing you gain out of playing it.

If you don't find PVP fun, why? What about the gameplay itself is not fun to you?

[ItMe]

I think the biggest issues I have is that I feel super disconnected from everything.
If my team is winning it's hard to feel like it's because of something I'm doing, and if I'm losing BOY DO I FEEL IT.

[Canadane]

Try The Feast instead of Rival Wings if you're looking for competitive pvp.
You were playing an objective based game mode, not a killing based game mode. It has the nice pop-up of who killed who, which you seem to want.
With a new ranked season starting in a few hours when the game comes back up, queues shouldn't be dead.

[LalafellDown]

They should’ve made the PVP like a MOBA. Where there are unique classes and characters with 3 or 4 unique skills each.
Where we could unlock new skins and clothing.

[Araxes]

Since the changes in Stormblood the Thrill is lost. I stopped playing Feast completely to preserve the good memories i have, but from time to time i hop into frontlines and i completely dont care if we win or lose. You cant even say " i play for my Faction" or anything like that anymore cause of forced Merc.

[BarretOblivion]

Feast sucks... honestly. Its mainly due to how tanky healers are, why are they the tanks and not TANKS???? You get someone close to dead finally and OH, they are full HP before you can get the killing hit on them.
Once you go into the big games, at least if you magically get battle fever it feels like how the game should play, well used timing of abilities, killing people, you know, doing stuff that matters.
Feast?
WTF is this garbage, you are doing nothing the whole game until maybe your team decides to all have every single burst ready as the healer is stunned maybe THEN you will see a kill.
This is just awful.

[Nanne]

Feast sucks... honestly. Its mainly due to how tanky healers are, why are they the tanks and not TANKS???? You get someone close to dead finally and OH, they are full HP before you can get the killing hit on them.
Once you go into the big games, at least if you magically get battle fever it feels like how the game should play, well used timing of abilities, killing people, you know, doing stuff that matters.
Feast?
WTF is this garbage, you are doing nothing the whole game until maybe your team decides to all have every single burst ready as the healer is stunned maybe THEN you will see a kill.
This is just awful.

Last season when SCH and DRK healing reductions stacked the whole Feast meta was just focusing same target until they died without any counterplay. At least current Feast requires the team to communicate and sync their bursts to kill instead of just force it by tunneling same person over and over again. And healers arent unkillable. They require the same cooperation from your team to kill just like the tank and dps :P

[snipski]

Dragoon is still OP and they didnt get any nerfs this patch

[Enma_Ookami]

All below is my personal opinion.
Community wise:
Feast - don't join any discords which you got offered, any whispers with "please join XYZ, they will help you improve" means trap, this will end badly for you. Just play your game and have fun. If you really need help, maybe try here in forum. Moderators will make sure you ain't gonna get hurt by some "elitists". Also ingame Ignore/Block function is your best friend for healthy mind and sanity.

RW - amazing community, amazing people around it. Cannot say more, wish feast had it too.

Gameplay wise (as I played DRK, DRG, WHM, SMN):
Tank doesn't feel like a typical "holy triangle" tank, more like a single CC filler with some defensive capabilities. Using your CC in wrong time rends you almost useless, depends on your defence toolkit.
As much as melee dps is more or less balanced (excluding DRG which, as far as I saw in patch notes - still outclass for miles other once), ranged have big differences. In both - balance is a problem. While being a good NIN require A LOT of training and forward planning, being a good DRG doesn't really require such time investment due to how this job got build for pvp. "Good" and "Top tier" difference still apply, on every job there are talented people who make impossible a possible.
Healers require extremely good mechanics knowledge, and lots of experience to be competitive, I could say that healer is hardest job to play in PvP due to amount of micro- and macro-managment.

[Jirah]

Same reason I dislike big war games, I feel like my contribution is nonexistent. PVP needs more modes beyond Teams or to feel more personal imo