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    Rongway's Avatar
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Why do you need detailed damage and healing formulas?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sephrinxx View Post
    So I can better evaluate and understand my abilities and stats? I mean, it's a pretty simple concept. I can't imagine being accepting of this sort of thing.
    That is a fairly recent concept and historically not one that the vast majority of game designers have catered to. Most games have given even less information than we have here, and expect you to figure out the relative strength of various equipment on your own, because the formulas are almost never important and sometimes figuring out how much more powerful the Master Sword is is just part of the game.

    The system we have here gives the potencies of attack and healing actions, which allows you to compare the actions within a single job's toolkit to eachother to make reasonable judgements about what is an optimal strategy or rotation, and that's basically all you need to know to devise such a rotation. You simply don't need to know how much stats like weapon damage or mainstat contribute to the damage formulas because it's not going to change the actions' potencies relative to each other, and so doesn't matter.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sephrinxx View Post
    I mean hell, the tooltips don't even have basic information on them. Like Peloton saying how much movement speed it grants for instance.
    All you need to know here is that it grants a speed multiplier greater than 1.0. Does it having a 1.25 or 1.5 or 3.0 multiplier affect whether or not you will use it? It's a free, oGCD action with no consequences, and it doesn't compete with any alternative actions that force you to choose between a high speed increase or a low speed increase with other benefits tacked on. Just use it.

    Actions where the potency or magnitude of an effect matter have those potencies or magnitudes clearly listed in their tooltips, excepting the aforementioned BLM mechanic (yes, UI/AF should be clearer about their effects) and the exact gauge point gains for some jobs' actions (like Improvisation, which, yes, could use a more explicit tooltip, but ultimately still doesn't affect whether or not it should be used).
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    Amanogawa Murasaki
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    All you need to know here is that it grants a speed multiplier greater than 1.0. Does it having a 1.25 or 1.5 or 3.0 multiplier affect whether or not you will use it? It's a free, oGCD action with no consequences, and it doesn't compete with any alternative actions that force you to choose between a high speed increase or a low speed increase with other benefits tacked on. Just use it.
    Is Peloton stronger than Sprint? There is a cost associated with using Sprint- its cooldown, meaning it could be down when you need it. Peloton is free, but other movement abilities are not.


    Do you rely on other people to determine your rotation, or your BiS? Even if you say "no" to that, you still benefit from other people who do, because it means your parties kill faster, die less, and perform better. Having more people interested in deciphering the numbers to learn the true formulas benefits you, and that drive / curiosity is something that should be fostered and supported, not something to dismiss as being wasted effort. The more folks who're interested in what's going on under-the-hood, the more we all collectively benefit. Any one individual may not "need" to know, and I do think you have good point about what you need to know, but ease up a little on the guy, eh?
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