New patch cycles? Fun? [community question]

[OvernightSiren]

So you talk about how much better XI is, then criticize XIV for having "incomplete races" because Viera and Hrothgar are gender locked...but like...you know that Mithra and Galka are gender locked in XI right? So by your own logic, XI has three complete races and two incomplete races and XIV has five complete races and two incomplete races. So I guess by your logic XIV is better than XI in that regard.

EDIT: And yes, I agree with your other points about Viera and Hrothgar. The lack of headgear is a blatant example that they ARE incomplete, but pointing out that they're gender locked after praising a game with almost half of its races being gender locked isn't a good point.

[ItMe]

You just pretty much have to ignore player power progression or the game makes no sense at all. I mean, if we take it literally, the Garlean Empire has Lv70 soldiers in a few endgame dungeons of Stormblood.

That's just the kind of thing you've gotta accept with an RPG.
That kind of ludonarrative dissonance is borderline unavoidable in an MMO.

[Gothicshark]

The question is, does everyone enjoy this type of release style?
(If yes, why? if no, why?)

Yes. If you compare FFXIV to WOW or ESO you will realize really quickly FFXIV is doing it right.

This is not a discussion about my opinion on the topic.

Yet your post is chock-full of your opinions on the topic, and most of them are wrong.

"armchair developer"

Yet your post is basically being an "armchair developer."

Ishgard Restoration:

Crafting game, not my cuppa tea, there are issues, but I'm not a crafter so not my place to comment.

Hrothgar and Viera:

The dev team already stated why they were released as is, they had no time to finish them properly and still get them out. They felt if they didn't release them when they did they would never get the chance again. They can always patch in the other genders and other bits in time.

Gunbreaker and Dancer:

100% disagree, as jobs, they are excellent and do what they do beautifully, they also work at low levels as they made them be backward compatible with all content. It is true they do not have set specific items for ARR and heavensward content, but who cares, They have full gear glamours for everything current, and stormblood. I know as I main Dancer.

New Game+

you are literally complaining to complain here, nothing wrong with doing it the way they are, and frankly no way would I use New Game+ on ARR or Heavensward content, honestly not fun a second time. It's why paid skip for ARR is so popular.

Blue Mage.

and yet there are people who love it, Blue Mage is aimed at being a personal challenge. Can you level it, can you collect all the spells, can you gear it, it's not for the casual gamer.

Unreal Fights.

once again, not for the casual gamer.

Relic Quests.

Complaining to complain, try WOW, bet you'll love the gearing there with the random stats, and the epic grind just to get geared for the next raid tier. FFXIV focuses on gameplay more than gear grinds.

[Gothicshark]

"reading is difficult."

You put it in a post, we get to comment on it, you don't get to say we can't.

[Luna-M]

Ishgard Restoration:
Is incomplete content. Its being released in stages. Instead of allowing the players to progress from start to finish, each stage is literally completely haulted until the next patch for the next phase.
Personal Note. Ishgard restoration is not really "new content" in the sense, that I feel they simply have changed the way you obtain Lucis/achievement tools. Instead of having to do Lucis type steps, or complete the crafting log, they simply added more recipes and instead of releasing Ishgard housing they are halting its release for some undetermined reason. (Personally hopefully for a real reason instead of Ishgard housing being exactly like the other districts, but only stalled.)

No different how Mor Dhona and other hubs evolved over patches? Granted these changes is community driven on the server but i think it's a great addition to the game and gives alternatives for people to level their crafters and gatherers. And if it's a requirement for Ishgard House (should we ever get it), it's a fun milestone.

Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them, the only things compariable to other jobs, is GNB's tank achievements and rewards. Outside of level 60 and above, these jobs fall flat and hard.

Not sure I understand this one. Literally all expansion jobs been this way? AST, MCH, DRK, RDM. None started at Lv1.

[Iscah]

you are literally complaining to complain here...

All his posts are like this. He's looking for things to complain about for the sake of it.

[Reinha]

Ishgard Restoration:
Is incomplete content. Its being released in stages.

Fine by me. I play all year round and it doesn't bother me that content is paced. I will get to play it anyways. They should just put a bit more side content in X.1 patches.

Hrothgar and Viera:
Are literally incomplete races. Not only do they not have their opposing gender counterparts, but they also lack hairstyles that are 100% availabe to all other races, including ones purchased on the mogstation. They also do not have full access to head gear.

If the other option is not having beast races, I'll take beast races as they are. Hrothgar looks great and I can change the fur without using a fantasia.

Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them

I'd like some weapon glamours but that is not what determines if a job is finished or not. Leveling is playing a job in an unfinished state without all the skills so that is also a silly point. You can do all content, they are full jobs.

New Game+
New game plus has been slowly released over time. Instead of holding new game+ and focusing on A Realm Reborn revamp first, then releasing new game+ afterwards, they completely have done this backwards.

Agreed. I've been waiting to try this feature but I'm not going to play the story from the end to the beginning.

Blue Mage.
Do I even need to comment here?

No need, it's trash.

Unreal Fights.
Unreal fights are limited time, and... well the word limited means limited. They are also level synced.

They are seasonal PvE content. While I'm not a fan of time exclusive rewards, at least the bosses themselves are recycled and the original versions can be done synced at any time.

Relic Quests.
If we're comparing 5.0 relics to any previous relic, they keep pushing the relic further and further back into the expansion.

Same as with the Ishgard restoration, content with multiple stages should be released much earlier so that people have something to do during the whole expansion and not just the latter half.

[SenorPatty]

When you start questioning if patch cycles are fun, it might just be the early signs of a burnout.

[Saix027]

No different how Mor Dhona and other hubs evolved over patches? Granted these changes is community driven on the server but i think it's a great addition to the game and gives alternatives for people to level their crafters and gatherers. And if it's a requirement for Ishgard House (should we ever get it), it's a fun milestone.




Not sure I understand this one. Literally all expansion jobs been this way? AST, MCH, DRK, RDM. None started at Lv1.

I would say on Mor Dhona tho those things evolved without us over time to fit the timeline kinda, Ishgard tho you activly do it and can miss a step simply to see how it evolves, kinda like beast tribes do but that is for your own to watch. Difference is you work for it and might miss seeing it evolve due simply not got time when it grows. So i can see kind of a point in this as much i disgree with other things on him.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I would say on Mor Dhona tho those things evolved without us over time to fit the timeline kinda, Ishgard tho you activly do it and can miss a step simply to see how it evolves, kinda like beast tribes do but that is for your own to watch. Difference is you work for it and might miss seeing it evolve due simply not got time when it grows. So i can see kind of a point in this as much i disgree with other things on him.

Except if you join now, you will never see either Mor dhona or idyllshire in their incomplete stages. So really it's exactly the same.