New patch cycles? Fun? [community question]

[wereotter]

Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them, the only things compariable to other jobs, is GNB's tank achievements and rewards. Outside of level 60 and above, these jobs fall flat and hard.

This seems a pretty big stretch. They don't have access to all the primal glamors, sure. But that's the only complaint here that even holds any water. DRK, AST, MCH all started at level 30 and had nothing below that level and by the same logic can not be leveled. Even more relevant, RDM and SAM were exactly the same last expansion. They're launched at a higher level because when they released the Heavensward jobs at level 30, players didn't enjoy having to play through 20 levels in order to just play the jobs in the new expansion, so 10 levels to relevant content was much more palatable.

The jobs themselves aren't incomplete, though you could argue that you're not satisfied with the glamor options available.

[yukiiyuki]

Someone critique something about the game, call cult police! They will tell you how wrong are you and maybe you are the problem in this perfect game.
Now to the topic, new classes are fine, they even feel more complete to some old ones that got cut in half.
New races are unfinished, maybe it would be better to do your job properly instead of finding million excuses, multibillionaire company btw.
Shiva is a meme of a "content", they just changed numbers and added a recolored horse as a reward. Time walking in WoW is not even considered as a new content and people here pissing their pants about just ONE boss per 4 months.
Bozja looked like a lackluster in design terms, well, fate grinding that will be easier than Eureka, that's all, but at least something to play.
Ishgard restoration is just collectibles.
Blue mages are cool though, at least one type of the content that looks creative, would like to see more content for them.
Also, this game sucks and greatest community makes it even worse, just live with it and look how it will get even worse from now on, that's totally worth it.

[OvernightSiren]

Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them, the only things compariable to other jobs, is GNB's tank achievements and rewards. Outside of level 60 and above, these jobs fall flat and hard.

I'm not sure you know what "literally" means. They're complete--they're just not complete to your likings. It is not new whatsoever for MMOs to release jobs that don't start at level 1--fact is, the vast majority of players would not want to start these jobs at level 1. If you're excited for the next expansion but want to play a new job you wouldn't want to have to grind it all the way to 70 before you get to play new content. DKs in WoW started at level 50 in WotLK IIRC.

As far as glamour, yes I'd like if they had more glamour items and yes I think the reasoning for them not having Ifrit/Garuda/Shiva/Titan items is dumb reasoning, but them not not having those glam items doesn't make them incomplete. Do I think it's lazy? Absolutely. But that doesn't make the job incomplete.

[StriderShinryu]

Gunbreaker and Dancer:
Are literally incomplete jobs. They do not have access to glamour items, available to 100% of existing jobs. These jobs also were not released at level 1, so you cannot even level them, the only things compariable to other jobs, is GNB's tank achievements and rewards. Outside of level 60 and above, these jobs fall flat and hard.

I'm not sure you know what "literally" means. They're complete--they're just not complete to your likings. It is not new whatsoever for MMOs to release jobs that don't start at level 1--fact is, the vast majority of players would not want to start these jobs at level 1. If you're excited for the next expansion but want to play a new job you wouldn't want to have to grind it all the way to 70 before you get to play new content. DKs in WoW started at level 50 in WotLK IIRC.

An interesting addition to this point is that the jobs literally are playable all the way from level 1 if you really want to play them that way. Unless things are different with GNB and DNC than with other "advanced start" classes, you can take them into Palace of the Dead and start from level one, seeing how they progress and build as they level up. In fact, that's something I often recommend players do for the "advanced start" classes or for classes they haven't played for a long time. All of the classes in the game are properly built to be functional from 1 to current cap even if you don't see it. The advanced starting level is just a specific choice to get players to be able to pick them up at a later point without having to go through the whole levelling process again given that they'd already done it at least once before then.

[Vahlnir]

DNC and GNB aren't incomplete jobs. They might not have 129430410401 glamour options but that doesn't make them incomplete on a fundamental level. They function just fine. Other than that yeah, I find myself agreeing with you on some things. One thing you have to consider though is that 2020 is not like other years. They have had their development cycle interrupted so much that they are at least 2 months behind where they want to be. So yeah, things aren't going to be released on time. But I do believe that they would benefit from releasing relic content much earlier as they did in ARR or HW to help with player retention. I think that waiting till the first major patch to release the relic grind would be reasonable enough.

[Saix027]

DNC and GNB aren't incomplete jobs. They might not have 129430410401 glamour options but that doesn't make them incomplete on a fundamental level. They function just fine. Other than that yeah, I find myself agreeing with you on some things. One thing you have to consider though is that 2020 is not like other years. They have had their development cycle interrupted so much that they are at least 2 months behind where they want to be. So yeah, things aren't going to be released on time. But I do believe that they would benefit from releasing relic content much earlier as they did in ARR or HW to help with player retention. I think that waiting till the first major patch to release the relic grind would be reasonable enough.

I would rather call them patchwork funcitonal classes, considering they goten everything that made old classes and got shoved into the new ones to make them more special, Tank CD'S? All in GNB now, leaving most other tanks withg like 2-3 at best, even PLD that had the most normally. DNC goten the procs and good AoE BRD and MCH usually provided, MCH gladly changed heavily.

If anything with cycles it is new classes shinign with old powers other classes had, GNB again has a long DoT and a AoE Dot, Tanks used to have a dot to or every other class, older example here with SAM gettign a 1 minute Dot all of sudden after every other class got theres removed.

It ruins alot of jobs in my eyes, especially healers now, AST and SCH lost there identity while WHM you have to watch not accidently revive the dungeon or the fallen NPC's like Haurchefant or so.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

It ruins alot of jobs in my eyes, especially healers now, AST and SCH lost there identity while WHM you have to watch not accidently revive the dungeon or the fallen NPC's like Haurchefant or so.

I, admittedly, almost choked on my coffee reading that part.

[Nyka_Niphilim]

I really wanna know what we get for the dungeon they took away. But Not only the dungeon. They also said there will be no deep dungeon this xpac most likely..
So what are we getting instead?

I know I may be in the minority regarding the loss of the dungeon (and maybe even the deep dungeon Thing)...
But I miss this content because it something I liked to do from time to time.

I also think its really really sad we havent gotten the majority of primal weapons for GNB and DNC.
This just doesnt feel right for me and its something that kinda disappoints me.

[tdb]

Yes, I like side content being released in stages. It prevents me from getting burned out on a single thing. It's no different from the MSQ or raids being released in stages. Though I do have different complaints or counterarguments about some things.

Ishgard restoration
I dislike how it was implemented as a world event. If you want to participate in the fates you have to check on the progress multiple times per day and try to predict when it will complete. If you're lucky one of your checks will fall on the period between shifts when there's an exact and fairly long timer visible. I would have much preferred a style similar to the Doman Enclave reconstruction where each player is able to complete it at their own pace. They could still have released it in stages. I guess tying progress to the player would have made the tie-in with the Ishgardian housing area harder though.

New jobs
They may be missing a handful of class-specific glamour items compared to other jobs, but still have access to the thousands of role-specific and non-specific items. Personally I never found the primal weapons to be particularly attractive anyway. New jobs have always started partway through the leveling climb. I expect the next expansion to introduce jobs that start from Lv70. Learning the ropes when you already have a bunch of skills to begin with can be a handful, but it's pretty clear what the basic rotations are.

[gumas]

as someone who play this game purely for the storyline, iam glad they still putting story as their main objective (at least from my view)

granted the new relic quest is getting "been there done that" feel after several times, its kinda ridiculous now with all these relic weapon is very strong and have amazing power and such but a few patch later... tadaa another "amazing" weapon. these so called "ancient/relic/omega" weapon suppose to be one of it kind but every big patch we just uncover a new one, for an ancient weapon it sure is easy to get lol

i wish they just continue the progress of existing ancient weapon and further make it stronger instead of "discovering" a new one.