Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
At this point you're arguing semantics. Most people in the raid scene, which this is advertised towards, will consider it casual from a raid perspective. Considering the ilvl and the target demographic, it may, in fact, be a step below EX Primals. If you want to throw around lower-midcore go ahead. People aren't going to call it that though more so because Savage is considered midcore nowadays.

If we're going to use people's individual experiences as a reference point. Several consider Orbonne or Copied Factory hard. They'll still widely be considered casual content.
Sorry if I'm derailing the topic here.

I was saying that because the thing is that's it's placed in raid finder so they're not considering it casual. I'm pretty sure Orbonne and Copied Factory aren't in the raid finder. It could be hard to a lot of players, but it doesn't make it "hardcore" content.

So my intent was really to ask if we're underestimating how hard it will be. They don't want people to be able to carry the newbies because it's supposed to be a faithful version of the original at a similar difficulty level as it was when it was released. I'm aware people think shiva was easy, and that's why they're releasing it first, instead of "traumatizing" people with titan.

Quote from fan translation of the last live letter:
- They contemplated about releasing Titan Unreal but if decided not to because if releasing Titan Unreal too early will just end up traumatizing the players like what happened back then...
A lot of people on this thread are assuming it's either:
-side content
-between hard/extreme difficulty
-casual

But all we know is that they don't want people traumatized so they're releasing the easier one first and that it's going into the raid finder which has until now only been for extreme/savage/ultimate.

I think it's going to be a weird one for newbies who try it because it's ilv sync there's no way for them to outgear it and it being so low ilv means a lot of people who are fresh 80's will try it and I think pf is going to be very harsh towards newbies and lock it higher to filter newbies.

Maybe I'm just over-reacting with how pf is going to be but if it's anything like what pf is now, then people WILL ilv block to 490+ and newbies will get pushed out, which I hope won't happen but we'll see I guess.