Time to stop making synced content

[Vahlnir]

Shiva Unreal is also just Shiva Extreme, but tuned for level 80 characters. If we were to compare her to ShB's current Extreme Trials, she would be the easiest of them all (as she was the easiest Extreme Trial in ARR days, like Garuda EX). The only hard part about her is Glass Dance and Avalanche.

Yeah. Back in the day the hardest part of Shiva Ex was unlocking Shiva Ex. I had that one beat in like, a duty and a half and was farming it a couple after that. Took me a little while to get there though because some of the trials were horrible at the time. Ramuh probably gave me the biggest run for my money and sanity.

[RokkuEkkusu]

As far as Shiva Unreal goes, most will probably do it like Shiva Extreme back in the day, but the added caveat of the tank swap being forced. I estimate it may probably be used during the start of each bow phase so the physical/magical vuln stacks fall off.

[LariaKirin]

The purpose of Unreal is content.

If you tune it to 500, it's inaccessible. If you don't sync it, it's dead on arrival. Therefore, you sync it to some accessible item level.

[Waterscape]

Considering the reason why Titan EX was so difficult has been solved (latency across the board), yeah. I can't wait. I do enjoy some simpler content to do from time to time when I don't feel like raiding.

Yeah okay =) Yoshi P said the only reason they didn't make Titan first is because it was too difficult and didn't want to traumatise the community yet . I can't wait =) The majority of you will not be able to do it

[ForteNightshade]

I mean yea of course you can do raids casually, that doesn't make it casual content. The gold saucer is casual content. MSQ is casual content. Ishgard restoration is casual content.

Extremes, savages, ultimates have different difficulties in a curve and players who are casual can attempt everything of course. That doesn't make it casual content. Normal mode trials are the casual versions.

I can be in a casual static, but do non-casual content casually not caring about when I clear or if I'm wearing bis. Just because I'm being casual about it doesn't make the content casual.

Hence why it's being classified as casual raid content. What the dev team chooses to classify it as isn't necessarily going to be the same, especially given the Yoshida is notorious for overselling the difficulty of content. From a raiding perspective, this is casual content because it'll be extremely easy.

[Sabrenn]

Hence why it's being classified as casual raid content. What the dev team chooses to classify it as isn't necessarily going to be the same, especially given the Yoshida is notorious for overselling the difficulty of content. From a raiding perspective, this is casual content because it'll be extremely easy.

It might be easy for you but I just heard someone on discord yesterday say they couldn't beat Memoria Misera. And that's what most people here would consider easy, especially because of the ilv not being synced.

I might agree with you that it's easy raiding content but it's just because you and I have the ability to clear them. Doesn't make it casual. The story mode that lets you unlock memoria where you fight the npc in the cutscene is the casual version.

[ForteNightshade]

It might be easy for you but I just heard someone on discord yesterday say they couldn't beat Memoria Misera. And that's what most people here would consider easy, especially because of the ilv not being synced.

I might agree with you that it's easy raiding content but it's just because you and I have the ability to clear them. Doesn't make it casual. The story mode that lets you unlock memoria where you fight the npc in the cutscene is the casual version.

At this point you're arguing semantics. Most people in the raid scene, which this is advertised towards, will consider it casual from a raid perspective. Considering the ilvl and the target demographic, it may, in fact, be a step below EX Primals. If you want to throw around lower-midcore go ahead. People aren't going to call it that though more so because Savage is considered midcore nowadays.

If we're going to use people's individual experiences as a reference point. Several consider Orbonne or Copied Factory hard. They'll still widely be considered casual content.

[TeraRamis]

That is the point behind getting stronger gear..... literally in one sentence. otherwise why bother? cos the new raid gear doesnt exactly look very good thats for sure

Totally agree with this, and it's one of the major reasons I've unsubbed. Simply put: what the hell am I collecting gear for if the upgrades cannot be used to get a leg up?

[Sabrenn]

At this point you're arguing semantics. Most people in the raid scene, which this is advertised towards, will consider it casual from a raid perspective. Considering the ilvl and the target demographic, it may, in fact, be a step below EX Primals. If you want to throw around lower-midcore go ahead. People aren't going to call it that though more so because Savage is considered midcore nowadays.

If we're going to use people's individual experiences as a reference point. Several consider Orbonne or Copied Factory hard. They'll still widely be considered casual content.

Sorry if I'm derailing the topic here.

I was saying that because the thing is that's it's placed in raid finder so they're not considering it casual. I'm pretty sure Orbonne and Copied Factory aren't in the raid finder. It could be hard to a lot of players, but it doesn't make it "hardcore" content.

So my intent was really to ask if we're underestimating how hard it will be. They don't want people to be able to carry the newbies because it's supposed to be a faithful version of the original at a similar difficulty level as it was when it was released. I'm aware people think shiva was easy, and that's why they're releasing it first, instead of "traumatizing" people with titan.

Quote from fan translation of the last live letter:

- They contemplated about releasing Titan Unreal but if decided not to because if releasing Titan Unreal too early will just end up traumatizing the players like what happened back then...

A lot of people on this thread are assuming it's either:
-side content
-between hard/extreme difficulty
-casual

But all we know is that they don't want people traumatized so they're releasing the easier one first and that it's going into the raid finder which has until now only been for extreme/savage/ultimate.

I think it's going to be a weird one for newbies who try it because it's ilv sync there's no way for them to outgear it and it being so low ilv means a lot of people who are fresh 80's will try it and I think pf is going to be very harsh towards newbies and lock it higher to filter newbies.

Maybe I'm just over-reacting with how pf is going to be but if it's anything like what pf is now, then people WILL ilv block to 490+ and newbies will get pushed out, which I hope won't happen but we'll see I guess.

[Seraphor]

A lot of people on this thread are assuming it's either:
-side content
-between hard/extreme difficulty
-casual

The purpose of it is that it is Extreme difficulty, but accessible to people who aren't fully geared.
You can go in day one, without being penalised for not farming the last savage tier.