Time to stop making synced content

[Sabrenn]

Casual "raiding" content to be more specific.

Extreme Primals as a whole are more less considered casual to low-midcore. They're intended for people to get a feel for more difficult content that can actually threaten you but will typically be curb stomped by players more familiar with the raid scene.

I mean yea of course you can do raids casually, that doesn't make it casual content. The gold saucer is casual content. MSQ is casual content. Ishgard restoration is casual content.

Extremes, savages, ultimates have different difficulties in a curve and players who are casual can attempt everything of course. That doesn't make it casual content. Normal mode trials are the casual versions.

I can be in a casual static, but do non-casual content casually not caring about when I clear or if I'm wearing bis. Just because I'm being casual about it doesn't make the content casual.

[ForteNightshade]

I mean yea of course you can do raids casually, that doesn't make it casual content. The gold saucer is casual content. MSQ is casual content. Ishgard restoration is casual content.

Extremes, savages, ultimates have different difficulties in a curve and players who are casual can attempt everything of course. That doesn't make it casual content. Normal mode trials are the casual versions.

I can be in a casual static, but do non-casual content casually not caring about when I clear or if I'm wearing bis. Just because I'm being casual about it doesn't make the content casual.

Hence why it's being classified as casual raid content. What the dev team chooses to classify it as isn't necessarily going to be the same, especially given the Yoshida is notorious for overselling the difficulty of content. From a raiding perspective, this is casual content because it'll be extremely easy.

[Sabrenn]

Hence why it's being classified as casual raid content. What the dev team chooses to classify it as isn't necessarily going to be the same, especially given the Yoshida is notorious for overselling the difficulty of content. From a raiding perspective, this is casual content because it'll be extremely easy.

It might be easy for you but I just heard someone on discord yesterday say they couldn't beat Memoria Misera. And that's what most people here would consider easy, especially because of the ilv not being synced.

I might agree with you that it's easy raiding content but it's just because you and I have the ability to clear them. Doesn't make it casual. The story mode that lets you unlock memoria where you fight the npc in the cutscene is the casual version.

[ForteNightshade]

It might be easy for you but I just heard someone on discord yesterday say they couldn't beat Memoria Misera. And that's what most people here would consider easy, especially because of the ilv not being synced.

I might agree with you that it's easy raiding content but it's just because you and I have the ability to clear them. Doesn't make it casual. The story mode that lets you unlock memoria where you fight the npc in the cutscene is the casual version.

At this point you're arguing semantics. Most people in the raid scene, which this is advertised towards, will consider it casual from a raid perspective. Considering the ilvl and the target demographic, it may, in fact, be a step below EX Primals. If you want to throw around lower-midcore go ahead. People aren't going to call it that though more so because Savage is considered midcore nowadays.

If we're going to use people's individual experiences as a reference point. Several consider Orbonne or Copied Factory hard. They'll still widely be considered casual content.

[Sabrenn]

At this point you're arguing semantics. Most people in the raid scene, which this is advertised towards, will consider it casual from a raid perspective. Considering the ilvl and the target demographic, it may, in fact, be a step below EX Primals. If you want to throw around lower-midcore go ahead. People aren't going to call it that though more so because Savage is considered midcore nowadays.

If we're going to use people's individual experiences as a reference point. Several consider Orbonne or Copied Factory hard. They'll still widely be considered casual content.

Sorry if I'm derailing the topic here.

I was saying that because the thing is that's it's placed in raid finder so they're not considering it casual. I'm pretty sure Orbonne and Copied Factory aren't in the raid finder. It could be hard to a lot of players, but it doesn't make it "hardcore" content.

So my intent was really to ask if we're underestimating how hard it will be. They don't want people to be able to carry the newbies because it's supposed to be a faithful version of the original at a similar difficulty level as it was when it was released. I'm aware people think shiva was easy, and that's why they're releasing it first, instead of "traumatizing" people with titan.

Quote from fan translation of the last live letter:

- They contemplated about releasing Titan Unreal but if decided not to because if releasing Titan Unreal too early will just end up traumatizing the players like what happened back then...

A lot of people on this thread are assuming it's either:
-side content
-between hard/extreme difficulty
-casual

But all we know is that they don't want people traumatized so they're releasing the easier one first and that it's going into the raid finder which has until now only been for extreme/savage/ultimate.

I think it's going to be a weird one for newbies who try it because it's ilv sync there's no way for them to outgear it and it being so low ilv means a lot of people who are fresh 80's will try it and I think pf is going to be very harsh towards newbies and lock it higher to filter newbies.

Maybe I'm just over-reacting with how pf is going to be but if it's anything like what pf is now, then people WILL ilv block to 490+ and newbies will get pushed out, which I hope won't happen but we'll see I guess.