Time to stop making synced content

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I just realized something, if it's really meant to be casual content then it would be based on the normal mode shiva... right?

But they said they want people to experience the fight without unsyncing it and clearing it in a few seconds.

However, I don't know of anyone unsyncing shiva normal because that just comes up in trial roulette and so the queue time for that isn't that long. (and it's not hard)

Therefore the only other shiva IS the extreme version.

Plus it's going in the raid finder. You don't get casual content in the raid finder......

I don't think it is geared towards the casual playerbase. :|

Tons of casual players do EX fights.

[ForteNightshade]

I just realized something, if it's really meant to be casual content then it would be based on the normal mode shiva... right?

But they said they want people to experience the fight without unsyncing it and clearing it in a few seconds.

However, I don't know of anyone unsyncing shiva normal because that just comes up in trial roulette and so the queue time for that isn't that long. (and it's not hard)

Therefore the only other shiva IS the extreme version.

Plus it's going in the raid finder. You don't get casual content in the raid finder......

I don't think it is geared towards the casual playerbase. :|

Casual "raiding" content to be more specific.

Extreme Primals as a whole are more less considered casual to low-midcore. They're intended for people to get a feel for more difficult content that can actually threaten you but will typically be curb stomped by players more familiar with the raid scene.

[Sabrenn]

Tons of casual players do EX fights.

We have a very different definition of casual then.

Also this was how the Raid finder was introduced:

Requirements
Players need only have access to at least one Savage raid in order to unlock the Raid Finder. In the case of Alexander: Midas (Savage), players must speak with Lightkix Eyesfixed in the Dravanian Hinterlands (X:20.6 Y:26.1). Please keep in mind, however, that the Raid Finder will become inaccessible when the next series of Savage raids is introduced. At that time, players must unlock the next Savage raid to gain access to the Raid Finder.

Maybe it's not exactly the same anymore but I've kept the impression that raid finder isn't casual content.

[yukiiyuki]

You can wait almost a year for next 4 savage bosses, than just wait 7+ months more for ultimate, it's simple as that, also, you can use your gear in extremes so you can farm recolored mount.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

We have a very different definition of casual then.

Also this was how the Raid finder was introduced:



Maybe it's not exactly the same anymore but I've kept the impression that raid finder isn't casual content.

Basing how raidfinder was introduced off of the tier following the Savage tier that broke the back of the raiding community isnt the best way to do it imo.

[Sabrenn]

Casual "raiding" content to be more specific.

Extreme Primals as a whole are more less considered casual to low-midcore. They're intended for people to get a feel for more difficult content that can actually threaten you but will typically be curb stomped by players more familiar with the raid scene.

I mean yea of course you can do raids casually, that doesn't make it casual content. The gold saucer is casual content. MSQ is casual content. Ishgard restoration is casual content.

Extremes, savages, ultimates have different difficulties in a curve and players who are casual can attempt everything of course. That doesn't make it casual content. Normal mode trials are the casual versions.

I can be in a casual static, but do non-casual content casually not caring about when I clear or if I'm wearing bis. Just because I'm being casual about it doesn't make the content casual.

[DPZ2]

Maybe it's not exactly the same anymore but I've kept the impression that raid finder isn't casual content.

It's probably not the same anymore. While the note you quoted talks a little about Savage raids being included in the raid finder, you'll note that it was not exclusively for that purpose, and hasn't been exclusively high-end content. "Casual" content doesn't mean there can't be 23 other people playing with you in an instance.

"The Raid Finder allows players to register for instanced raids without having to form a party. By selecting a desired raid and matching requirements, players will be matched automatically with other players spanning multiple Worlds within the same data center."

[Sabrenn]

Basing how raidfinder was introduced off of the tier following the Savage tier that broke the back of the raiding community isnt the best way to do it imo.

You say that, but it's still very much only showing the latest extreme trial and current savage / ultimate. Don't see any hard mode or normal modes in raid finder.

I mean I could be completely off and they start shoving all the new content in raid finder but that's really weird to me? Why would casual content need a First Phase, Practice, Clear option?

[Sabrenn]

It's probably not the same anymore. While the note you quoted talks a little about Savage raids being included in the raid finder, you'll note that it was not exclusively for that purpose, and hasn't been exclusively high-end content. "Casual" content doesn't mean there can't be 23 other people playing with you in an instance.

"The Raid Finder allows players to register for instanced raids without having to form a party. By selecting a desired raid and matching requirements, players will be matched automatically with other players spanning multiple Worlds within the same data center."

Oh really?

source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/game_...d_maincommands

Challenge the latest high-level raids. Adjustable search settings allow for solo players or parties under the minimum member requirements to be matched with players with the same goals.
* This feature is unlocked after progressing to a certain point.

[Nestama]

Shiva Unreal is also just Shiva Extreme, but tuned for level 80 characters. If we were to compare her to ShB's current Extreme Trials, she would be the easiest of them all (as she was the easiest Extreme Trial in ARR days, like Garuda EX). The only hard part about her is Glass Dance and Avalanche.

As for how Raid Finder works, it's for when you decide to do the fights via the DF instead of the PF. Having Duty Complete checked means you will only encounter people who have cleared the fight as well and you can only have Duty Complete checked if you have completed the fight itself. Otherwise you can only choose Duty Incomplete, which means you will only encounter people who haven't completed the fight... but then that's when the other checks come in (basically, having specific things checked = who you will party with in DF).