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    Re: Coincounter (The Rage continues!)

    I mean, there needed to be a lesson somewhere that some mobs don't use telegraphs. Did it need to be a boss? Sure, fine, whatever. BUT there could have been lesser versions in an earlier dungeon that were just "harder" trash mobs (think Marlboro level difficulty in Aurum Veil). Or, alternatively, keep the mechanics as is, but only have them deal a very survivable but shocking amount of damage (say 80% max hp to a healer at iLVL).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Re: Coincounter (The Rage continues!)

    I mean, there needed to be a lesson somewhere that some mobs don't use telegraphs. Did it need to be a boss? Sure, fine, whatever. BUT there could have been lesser versions in an earlier dungeon that were just "harder" trash mobs (think Marlboro level difficulty in Aurum Veil). Or, alternatively, keep the mechanics as is, but only have them deal a very survivable but shocking amount of damage (say 80% max hp to a healer at iLVL).
    Enemies that "don't use telegraphs" should never 1 hit kill. The lack of a telegraph is only acceptable if you're given the opportunity to learn and adjust throughout the course of the fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    Enemies that "don't use telegraphs" should never 1 hit kill. The lack of a telegraph is only acceptable if you're given the opportunity to learn and adjust throughout the course of the fight.
    Now this I'm two sided one.. on one hand I do agree with that. On the other hand I think it depends on how it's done. If I'm correct you are trying to say it should've been programed better correct? They had the right idea, but the animation he does before the move doesn't match. You don't NEED the aoe to get the point accross, at the same time he needed better more to the point animations if they didn't want to put an AOE marker there. They have done this in the 24 mans and various other bosses. They just goofed on coin I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada_bangs View Post
    Now this I'm two sided one.. on one hand I do agree with that. On the other hand I think it depends on how it's done. If I'm correct you are trying to say it should've been programed better correct? They had the right idea, but the animation he does before the move doesn't match. You don't NEED the aoe to get the point accross, at the same time he needed better more to the point animations if they didn't want to put an AOE marker there. They have done this in the 24 mans and various other bosses. They just goofed on coin I think.
    For simplicity, I'll just say it boils down to always making sure there's a way to successfully to deal with any mechanic during the fight.

    Using Coincounter as an example, there's 2 things they could do with him to "fix" his mechanic. The first is obviously to add a tell that informs the player of where the attack is going to land. The second is to allow the player to survive the attack at least once, to provide them the opportunity to recognize the attack and adjust.

    Either thing provides a way to succeed at the mechanic during the fight, which is something that any good mechanic needs. I mean, they could make the reaction needed to avoid it so air tight that most people fail it anyways and it would still be a good mechanic; it only needs to offer players the information they need to succeed.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 08-13-2020 at 11:03 PM.