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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    During ARR it was hard to miss The Eyes Have It. It was just off the path when traveling to Whitebrim for the MSQ and Coerthus Central Highlands was one of the FATE grinding hot spots (which was the primary way to level during 2.X). AV was a lot harder to find in that it was an optional dungeon that required taking a detour to unlock it and was only required once you were trying to become a second lieutenant in your grand company.
    New players are far more likely to join a GC, which is something that's introduced in the story, than they are to stop and do any random FATES. FATES are pretty much obsolete at this point; they don't count as tutorials.

    Even if that FATE might have been an expected tutorial in 2.x that's certainly not true now, so there's no reason for Coincounter to remain as he was.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 08-10-2020 at 11:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    New players are far more likely to join a GC, which is something that's introduced in the story, than they are to stop and do any random FATES. FATES are pretty much obsolete at this point; they don't count as tutorials.
    I don't think you are reading what I have been writing. That is true now, but during 2.X FATEs were presented as a major form of content as players explored the open world and not everyone went for Second Lieutenant ASAP. The knowledge transfer between The Eyes Have It and AV was functional during 2.X but it doesn't function now. Coincounter was not bad design, but changes as the game has gone through 3 expansions have broken things.

    I'm not surprised that they are changing things with the update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    I don't think you are reading what I have been writing. That is true now, but during 2.X FATEs were presented as a major form of content as players explored the open world and not everyone went for Second Lieutenant ASAP. The knowledge transfer between The Eyes Have It and AV was functional during 2.X but it doesn't function now. Coincounter was not bad design, but changes as the game has gone through 3 expansions have broken things.

    I'm not surprised that they are changing things with the update.
    Yes, I kind of edited my post. What you're saying may have been true for 2.x, but it's certainly not true now. It is bad design the way things currently stand, and I am happy that SE recognized it and is fixing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    Yes, I kind of edited my post. What you're saying may have been true for 2.x, but it's certainly not true now. It is bad design the way things currently stand, and I am happy that SE recognized it and is fixing it.
    You're trying to argue with someone who is agreeing with your point. It used to be an acceptable design choice, now it is not, so it's good that they're changing it.
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