Thread: 5.3 Preliminary Patch Note

Learning from encounters is compartmentalised into seeing the same or similar mechanics again. Seeing one boss with untelegraphed attacks doesn't teach you anything for a later boss that is completely different in its movements and effects.

The logical learning curve for me would be that the Coincounter - being the first cyclops you encounter - has telegraphs, and subsequent monsters of the same type/animations can then perform the same attacks without telegraphs because now you have learned what to expect and what to look for.

Originally Posted by Iscah

Learning from encounters is compartmentalised into seeing the same or similar mechanics again. Seeing one boss with untelegraphed attacks doesn't teach you anything for a later boss that is completely different in its movements and effects.

The logical learning curve for me would be that the Coincounter - being the first cyclops you encounter - has telegraphs, and subsequent monsters of the same type/animations can then perform the same attacks without telegraphs because now you have learned what to expect and what to look for.

I can agree with that, although tbh I think there should be something like a buff icon on the mob that says plainly “does not telegraph” or “ignores enmity”. As you and others have said, there just aren’t enough instances/types of mobs that do weird stuff to make it something a casual/new player should be expected to remember.

It would be probably have been better to weave it into the story where one encounters a cyclops and it flavors it something like “the echo can’t seem to read this creatures intentions!” (I always assumed our seeing telegraphs was the echo at work...)

Alternatively, a mob-cyclopia that works like a lot of other rpgs do would be fine. (Kill x mobs to unlock info about how they work..bonus points if can view model)

Originally Posted by Iscah

Learning from encounters is compartmentalised into seeing the same or similar mechanics again. Seeing one boss with untelegraphed attacks doesn't teach you anything for a later boss that is completely different in its movements and effects.

The logical learning curve for me would be that the Coincounter - being the first cyclops you encounter - has telegraphs, and subsequent monsters of the same type/animations can then perform the same attacks without telegraphs because now you have learned what to expect and what to look for.

Coincounter may, or may not be the first cyclops a player encounters. AV is an optional dungeon, so it is possible that players head into Halatali HM and other instances with cyclops prior to coming into AV. There is also the NM FATE in Coerthas Central. Coincounter and Chimera not only let you know that facing creatures of the same type in the future will have the same mechanics, it also lets them know that non-telegraphed attacks exist; it should clue them in that they can't always rely on a big marker to let you know that damage is headed your way.

I get that peeps don't want to make a mountain out of this molehill. It is true that this change isn't going to cause some snowball effect bringing about the game's demise, I just think the air of frustration comes from this change being, for the lack of a better word: stupid. Changes like these take the wind out of the sails if someone wants to bring up how precious the dev's time is, which is something I often do in their defense against the mob.

The reason why Coincounter was changed was due to the fact that there was enough complaints about it by people who quit the game. All of the ARR changes being made are to address complaints made by people who quit. They literally have years of data and complaints about ARR so now they are taking action.

Originally Posted by Gemina

Changes like these take the wind out of the sails if someone wants to bring up how precious the dev's time is, which is something I often do in their defense against the mob.

Depends how much "precious time" is actually required to implement this. If it's as simple as finding the off switch and turning it on, then it's one drop in an ocean of work.

As for it "maybe not being the first cyclops", it's sequentially the first assuming you do all dungeons. Not counting the FATE, as you say, but all that FATE taught me as a new player is that you don't tackle FATEs that play the boss music unless you want to be splatted.

Originally Posted by Hyperia

The reason why Coincounter was changed was due to the fact that there was enough complaints about it by people who quit the game.

People threatened to quit over Coincounter? I have a fairly hard time believing that one, at least in any serious amounts as to require this. I can see the change being based on the sheer number of people who die to the AoE, but threaten to quit?

Originally Posted by Lium

I know this is a minor thing, but I’m really glad I get to increase the mouse cursor size. I lose it sometimes during big fights in dungeons and raids with all the effects going on.

I thought I was the only one!! Happens A.L.L. the time.

Do we have to manually increase the cursor size or is it automatic?

Originally Posted by Deceptus

And why would this be a bad thing? People learn at different rates and aoe markers do nothing but make the game more accessible.

The whole "It was hard in my time / it was hard for me so it HAS to be hard for everyone else" is nothing more than gatekeeping and it needs to end.

Hm? Coincounter wasn't hard even without indicators. Every move he performs can be dodged with ease by standing just behind him in his hitbox, or in the case of the big swing it can just be stunned or ran away from. The only attack anyone should be getting hit by ever is auto-attacks.