Thread: 5.3 Preliminary Patch Note

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That depends on your definition I guess.


They aren't untelegraphed though. He has a cast bar and also raises his arm above his head and waves it around.

They all have telegraphs. Just because you don't understand them doesn't mean they don't exist.

A telegraph has to indicate what's coming so you can react appropriately. Nothing in the buildup indicates that he's about to do a 360 degree attack. It's literally a situation where you have no idea what it is until after you're hit by it; so it's not telegraphed.

If something that isn't telegraphed also kills you in 1 hit then that's crap design. Basically a throwback to the broken designs of the 8-bit days before developers really knew how to balance boss encounters.

Originally Posted by Goji1639

A telegraph has to indicate what's coming so you can react appropriately. Nothing in the buildup indicates that he's about to do a 360 degree attack. It's literally a situation where you have no idea what it is until after you're hit by it; so it's not telegraphed.

If something that isn't telegraphed also kills you in 1 hit then that's crap design. Basically a throwback to the broken designs of the 8-bit days before developers really knew how to balance boss encounters.

You must never have played a souls game.

Originally Posted by Goji1639

I've played some. I'll even share my PSN Profile with you.

https://psnprofiles.com/Hedorah1971

Basically every attack is telegraphed by the animation hitbox. Those animated telegraphs only give you fractions of a second to respond to them sometimes, but souls gives you tons of iframes on your dodge animations to account for that. Also, 1 hit kills generally don't happen unless you're extremely underleveled. Many attacks are designed to take a specific percentage of your health to purposely avoid killing you in 1 hit.

Yes, and you don't know what the moves are until they do them once. Some are quite obscure, and may will kill you in one hit. Or combo into death with another ability.

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yes, and you don't know what the moves are until they do them once. Some are quite obscure, and may will kill you in one hit. Or combo into death with another ability.

You can avoid everything in souls games on reaction, based on the enemies animations. The animations are the telegraph. The fact that they can be difficult to read and react to is why Souls games are difficult, but the fact that we have dodge animations with invincibility frames means we can react.

If melee DPS had dodges with frame 1 invincibility then coincutters attack might be avoidable on reaction, but they don't. Coincutters attack isn't avoidable and it's a 1 hit kill. It's bad design.

Originally Posted by Goji1639

You can avoid everything in souls games on reaction, based on the enemies animations. The animations are the telegraph. The fact that they can be difficult to read and react to is why Souls games are difficult, but the fact that we have dodge animations with invincibility frames means we can react.

If melee DPS had dodges with frame 1 invincibility then coincutters attack might be avoidable on reaction, but they don't. Coincutters attack isn't avoidable and it's a 1 hit kill. It's bad design.

I feel like I'm missing something here. 100 Tonze Swing (the circular AoE) has a different animation than 100 Tonze Swipe (frontal cone), as well as a cast bar, and both can be avoided.

Originally Posted by Skivvy

I feel like I'm missing something here. 100 Tonze Swing (the circular AoE) has a different animation than 100 Tonze Swipe (frontal cone), as well as a cast bar, and both can be avoided.

Yeah...that's exactly how it works. I don't know what Goji is going on about. Just because there's no visible floor markers doesn't mean they aren't avoidable. People just need to pay attention.