The Ultimate DRK Rework

[TheRealQuah]

Why does everyone on here want to go back to SB DRK, when it was the worst tank. It was arbitrary spam, and hardly anyone played it. It's now the second most played tank and is rated higher than it's ever been. We need to work on evolving from where we are now, not another complete overhaul.

[TouchandFeel]

We need to work on evolving from where we are now, not another complete overhaul.

Exactly. If the focus ends up being another rework, all the time and effort by the developers will be used up on that and not moving the job forward, leading to what we have now where the two tank jobs that received the biggest reworking, DRK and WAR, seem to be a step behind in terms of design and complexity within the kit. The time and resources allocated to them for moving from StB to ShB was used up redoing things, not evolving them.

When you feel like your house needs another room added on, an additional porch or a new coat of paint; you do just that. You don't burn down the house and then rebuild it from scratch.

[shao32]

Why does everyone on here want to go back to SB DRK, when it was the worst tank. It was arbitrary spam, and hardly anyone played it. It's now the second most played tank and is rated higher than it's ever been. We need to work on evolving from where we are now, not another complete overhaul.

DRK in SB wasn't played bcs Dark arts spam, it wasn't played bcs was the worst tank in dps, mitigation and utility, and even after the buffs in 4.3 where he get comparable dps and slightly superior mitigation they fall behind in utility, the design of the job was fine, they numbers don't and having everyone tell you the job is the worst when you asked drive ppl away from it.

now DRK is a boring copy pasted version of WAR, and when you ask about it PPL tells you is a great tank bcs TBN is super awesome and cool animations, the jobs is mostly played thanks to this skill alone due how powerfull it is not bcs it's fun to dealt with delirium or his lazy MP generation and useless mechanics atached to it and it's normal ppl want to come back to more fun versions of the job but this time being comparable in performance.

[Dtrip19]

The people who ask for DRK to be restored to it StB version, or at least something similar, are the people who, like me, didn't care that DRK was "low on the tier list". We played it because it was fun, especially so in dungeons. Nothing compares to how powerful a StB DRK was when chaining together abyssal drains and quietus during blood weapon while surrounded by 8 or more enemies. You healed so much that your healer barely ever had to look at you and did as much if not more damage than a scaredy cat tank who sat in tank stance against large pulls. It was the best. The only reason people play DRK now is because it's a near identical copy of WAR except its just better (and because cool swords). I plan on posting are more "realostic" rework sometime in the near future, something that doesn't stray so far from current tank design to appeal to people who apparently only think about tanks by how they appear on a tier list as opposed to how fun they are to play.

[TouchandFeel]

The only reason people play DRK now is because it's a near identical copy of WAR except its just better (and because cool swords). I plan on posting are more "realostic" rework sometime in the near future, something that doesn't stray so far from current tank design to appeal to people who apparently only think about tanks by how they appear on a tier list as opposed to how fun they are to play.

Speaking down to people like this because they disagree with you is not going to magically make them agree with you. There are also a lot of assumptions laced throughout on why people may like the newer incarnation and/or not agree with your proposed rework.

"Fun" is subjective and just because you have decided that your ideas are "fun", that doesn't make it absolutely so. A number of people's responses on why they didn't agree were based around them not thinking the ideas seemed "fun", so it's not like everyone disagreeing with you is blinded by an obsession with "tiers" and "performance".
Also performance does indeed matter because it can be measured and tracked, and time after time it has been shown that under-performing tends to convey in players a sense of being "less fun" while over-performing tends to convey a sense of being "more fun". You yourself even exhibit this exact trend with the statement you made about how powerful StB DRK was with spamming AD and Quietus during Blood Weapon. You use an example of over-powered performance as an arguing point for how it is more "fun" and then decry when others mention performance. Maybe that aspect of performance that they are bringing up is "fun" to them?

Bringing up performance when talking about game-play design is entirely warranted as they are intrinsically linked and go hand in hand.

[Hierro]

Why does everyone on here want to go back to SB DRK, when it was the worst tank. It was arbitrary spam, and hardly anyone played it. It's now the second most played tank and is rated higher than it's ever been. We need to work on evolving from where we are now, not another complete overhaul.

If you're really looking for an evolution to DRK's gameplay, simply equip an axe.

What's up with using the word "arbitrary" as an argument? Everything is arbitrary. There's no reason for WAR's mostly-lackluster gameplay sans burst. There's no reason to have 12 steps for a rotation for PLD. It's just there. It's all "arbitrary." The fact it had a lower GCD and higher APM is entirely for flavor and choices. Wanna play fast? There's DRK. Slow? There's PLD and WAR.

The fact it wasn't played as much was due to fear-mongering stigma, and far less to the job's kit, and that's entirely justifiable to say by looking at statistics of the job in the hands of the competent. Worst tank? There's bound to be a third place, buddy, but it says nothing ill of a job's performance.


If you hated SB DRK so much and praise ShB DRK's iteration, why didn't you just play a WAR in SB? We just want SB DRK back because it was genuinely a unique tank, as opposed to a reskinned WAR.

[Lyth]

"Hey man, at least Living Dead doesn't kill you in real life!"

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Does WAR have a monopoly on burst windows or something?

[Hierro]

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Does WAR have a monopoly on burst windows or something?

Does DRK need to have a 10 second burst window where they use their strongest GCD five times in a row followed by a period of downtime where you use the same low powered combo for another 80 seconds just like a job that did it a previous expansion ago?

I played DRK for the feel of the kit. If all you wanna do is hold a big sword and feel cool, more power to you, I guess.

[Kabooa]

Does DRK need to have a 10 second burst window where they use their strongest GCD five times in a row followed by a period of downtime where you use the same low powered combo for another 80 seconds just like a job that did it a previous expansion ago?

*eyes Paladin*

[Lyth]

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Oh no, WAR lost its sole pretence at having a personality. Perhaps it shouldn't have depended on a single ability in the first place?

*eyes Paladin*

Next expansion, every job is going to get a burst window finisher after spamming the same button five times. Watch this space.