The Ultimate DRK Rework

[Starkbeaumont]

You missed the party? here's the warp portal>https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ut-Living-Dead.

what does the old discussion about living dead has to do with this though? it's a bad cd the way it is. I guess every drk can agree on this. unless there is more in this topic you linked but you don't expect me to read the whole thing. Also i don't believe you are not allowed in savage parties cause of LD. A lot of groups just manage fine with drks.

[cactuarzzzz]

what does the old discussion about living dead has to do with this though? it's a bad cd the way it is. I guess every drk can agree on this. unless there is more in this topic you linked but you don't expect me to read the whole thing. Also i don't believe you are not allowed in savage parties cause of LD. A lot of groups just manage fine with drks.

And A LOT MORE DON'T. You would know if you at least have the gut to read half of that thread.

[Starkbeaumont]

And A LOT MORE DON'T. You would know if you at least have the gut to read half of that thread.

unsatisfied customers speak up way more often. just cause you see dozen of topics it doesn't mean the majority is unhappy.
if you take a closer look you see it's just the same bunch of ppl over and over again.
and if you look again you'll see that those can't even agree on what to change. everyone has their own ideas. most of those just push drk to the top without trying to achieve any kind of balance with the other tanks.
now if SE decides for one out of 10 ideas you are very likely still left with 9 unhappy customers. and on top you'll get someone taking the spot of the now happy one

[cactuarzzzz]

unsatisfied customers speak up way more often. just cause you see dozen of topics it doesn't mean the majority is unhappy.
if you take a closer look you see it's just the same bunch of ppl over and over again.
and if you look again you'll see that those can't even agree on what to change. everyone has their own ideas. most of those just push drk to the top without trying to achieve any kind of balance with the other tanks.
now if SE decides for one out of 10 ideas you are very likely still left with 9 unhappy customers. and on top you'll get someone taking the spot of the now happy one

Before you trying to use the word "majority" how about find some more drk main who cleared end game and feel satisfy with the current DRK like you?

The Majority of people who show up is unhappy. The post about LD problem show up everywhere even in reddit since 5.0 and it still keep show up till yesterday and people agreed how bad it is. The people who didn't agree is mostly the one who don't main DRK and the one who aren't AST/SCH that have to deal with it.

Take off your glasses and look around. Over the year the LD is the most complain from both drk and healers. Just because you keep dismissing them or stick with "only few people and same people show up to complain it doesn't mean that's majority"
doesn't mean it isn't a big problem.

Now maybe you want to show how far you go in savage&ultimate this tier and how your healer deal with your LD for various strat in the current savage tier.

[Baxcel]

As someone who loved to DRK during Stormblood and absolutely hates it right now we do not need to return to stormblood style of DRK..

Now hear me out.. Dark Arts was to much bloat on skills even with your reduction on MP to minimize the use of it.. it is still to much.. people will do what they did with it in StormBlood.. spam it.. freakout about lack of mp and then never return to the class again..

Those that don't do it that way wouldn't return too due to the hate of DarkArts..

My suggestion to fixing DRK would be to fix 3 big issues that currently ruin the class..

1)its Warrior lite.. i don't want my DRK to build a Guage use a knockoff fellcleave(bloodsplitter) and then pop a inner release(delirium) for 5 more blood splitters..

We shouldn't have a inner release rotation we should be able to build up enough blood between combos to put out a bloodsplitter when we need or want.

2)Living Dead needs a rework.. so many time during Stormblood did it get wasted due to being healed to soon or that the healers couldn't meet the healing requirement from Walking Dead to save me.. A super shouldnt require a white mage on standby to Benny me.

I'd suggest remaking the skill so once Living Dead is used you can't receive any healing during the duration.. once you enter Living Dead you take no damage during it so you can only be healed up.. also I would remove the death on not being fully healed.. we shouldn't be cursing ourselves with doom to try an survive an attack.. maybe add a special effect to the DRK that any attack you do during the super will heal you for that much HP.. thus giving the DRK some solo sustainability in emergency situations.

3)DRKs need a heal that isn't attached to their combos.. WAR has Equal.. Pally has Clem.. GNB has Aurora..

I'd suggest a skill that would work like Clemency.. im going call it Blood for Blood for now.. it would be a spell with the same cast time as Clemancy.. let it deal damage an heal for the amount done.. or better yet rework Abysal Drain into the heal.. remove the outrageous timer and make it a single target damage an heal on the GCD

I'm sure someone would have a better idea then this for fixing the glass but I know that's the 3 things that would need to be fixed to being me back to playing a DRK again

[Lyth]

You can't know what everyone is thinking at any given moment. But if there's a problem, the majority of complaints are going to be centred around it.

Living Dead has some serious problems. Some people may have learnt to tolerate it, but it's not an enjoyable ability. It's the only action in the game which kills you if the base requirements aren't met. Those requirements, in turn, are completely left in the hands of another player on a different job who may or may not understand how it works. Amazingly, you'll even find experienced raiders who still can't tell you how it actually works, despite us endlessly having this same rehashed conversation on the forums all the time. This is in part due to a series of badly written tooltips that still haven't been fixed since Heavensward despite being flagged as a localisation error.

Even if you've planned its use with your team and everyone understands how it works, the game doesn't actually support you around its use. There's no UI gauge elements to show how your team much healing is still required, despite there being irrelevant on-screen UI gauge elements for everything on your job from Darkside and Living Shadow durations (neither of which you particularly need to pay attention to), down to the last time that you played Verminion. I'm looking at you, Masaki Asakura. Get it together. And even if you decide to go down the classic "forget it, let's just Bene" route, remember that Bene is on a 3 minute recast and Living Dead is on 5 minutes, which means that they couldn't be any less in sync.

I suspect that the main problem is that there are like 4 listed Battle System Designers covering like 17 different jobs. That's not even one for each role. And to be heard you have to shout out over the endless voices demanding new housing glamours, details on Aymeric's dating life, or new cash shop pretty pretty dresses during one of the Q+A sessions that happen once every two years. It's not surprising that the issue hasn't been heard of by the dev team, let alone fixed.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

LOL that thread filled with feedback and info how DRK and Healers have a hard time with it[Yes the one who is in charge of getting DRK out of WD not some co tank who didn't have to do something about it like you] You just admitted you refused to took at the truth meanwhile trying to smart mouth.

A thread filled with the same people crying the same thing in every other DRK thread, and this includes healers who don't even understand how most of their toolkits work. It's not "refusal to [look] at the truth", I cba reading the same regurgitated complaints again.

Just because I don't main DRK, (and you keep having that, "oh your a different tank main, what would you know" mentality) I still understand how to play the job since unlike you I actually levelled the job to 80. I know the drawbacks that surround LD, and a lot of the issues is people not playing the DRK and figuring out what skills do or reading tooltips. So adding your half-a**ed smart remarks is gonna get you nowhere with me.

In casual content so what if you die from LD, not like you die IRL, get a raise, or release back to the start of the duty or return point in the over world. And I've only once this tier had a wipe to LD not being healed up, simply because the healer forgot, pulled again, it didn't happen the next time, we cleared.

End of the day, invulns aren't important in casual content, I can run every bit of casual content without the need to press an invuln, the only content they matter is savage and ultimate.

[DRKoftheAzure]

A thread filled with the same people crying the same thing in every other DRK thread, and this includes healers who don't even understand how most of their toolkits work. It's not "refusal to [look] at the truth", I cba reading the same regurgitated complaints again.

That's because the people that are complaining more on the forums have hit their breaking point.

Yes, I know, I have some old threads and posts that are just me complaining for mostly nothing, and I was most likely wanting to take part in the discussion. Though Stormblood did have it's own issues regarding tank balance(mostly the accessories but still) and just when we all thought that the balance would be completely fixed and fun in Shadowbringers, the mediatour info dropped and many tanks and healers p***ed off, and for good reason(you know, the ones that are complaining on the forums and probably flooding social media and leaving "suggestions" and actual suggestions via in-game help/support desk).

Leveling is no longer fun for not just DRK, but for a good majority of the tank and healer jobs in the game.