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    Quote Originally Posted by bundythenoob View Post
    spineshatter getting its stun back would be nice. not sure why they removed that in the first place. having the extra 2s stun wouldnt be gamebreaking.

    maybe give it a high lv 70+ trait that gives it the eye back?
    Because of stun immunity. Bosses like Forgal in Weeping City were a nightmare since everyone would spam their stun abilities as they did damage. This meant the Succubus got off Beguiling Mist and likely wiped the raid. Things like stun shouldn't be on abilities you'll otherwise use on cooldown. So it was the right call to remove it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Because of stun immunity. Bosses like Forgal in Weeping City were a nightmare since everyone would spam their stun abilities as they did damage. This meant the Succubus got off Beguiling Mist and likely wiped the raid. Things like stun shouldn't be on abilities you'll otherwise use on cooldown. So it was the right call to remove it.
    Then mightn't that be a reason to fix the DR mechanic as a whole, rather than removing any ability for DPS to participate in raid-saving mechanics through ability usage outside of Leg Sweep / Head Graze when they used to have 2+ such abilities each?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Then mightn't that be a reason to fix the DR mechanic as a whole, rather than removing any ability for DPS to participate in raid-saving mechanics through ability usage outside of Leg Sweep / Head Graze when they used to have 2+ such abilities each?
    DR? Either way, I don't need damage abilities needing a stun. If they ever made CC important (hah!), they could lower the CD on Leg Sweep and achieve the same thing. Unless you mean to say remove the stun immunity build up entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    DR? Either way, I don't need damage abilities needing a stun. If they ever made CC important (hah!), they could lower the CD on Leg Sweep and achieve the same thing. Unless you mean to say remove the stun immunity build up entirely.
    DR = Diminishing returns. And no, I don't mean it should be removed entirely, but it does need considerable revision.

    The current system is embarrassingly bad and I'd like to CC eventually made more important, but there's virtually no room for it so long as the DR system remains as poor as it is.
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