Fame

[Platinumstorm]

Again, same result in a different thread. The OP never asked for the whole game of XI to be cloned. He asked for one component that they found fun.

Why people immediately jump to this conclusion is proof that Darwin was wrong...

I thank you for going out of your way to personally attack me. When referencing "FFXI" clone, I was referring to this poster, at the top of page 2.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post628895

FFXIV from day one should have been a 100% clone of what FFXI had to give to players just 100% diff and better and 10x better and FFXIV would have been a great game and added dungeon finder and many things from wow and other games and it would have been great.

[ThePatriarch]

I read this thread before I went to sleep last night

Had a nightmare involving millions of millioncorn

everywhere

not... enough... fame...

[Tibian]

Other games post 2002 started incorporating fame systems as well because *gasp*..it's a good system and opens the doors for content based around your particular playing habit.

MMOs are moving away from these mechanics because they aren't fun and are nothing but artificial time sinks. Maybe "other games post 2002" should be revised into "older games that haven't evolved."

No challenge associated with fame/reputation systems, just boring and horrible repetition. XIV does not need fame or any reputation grinds. GC seal grinding is already enough.

Again, same result in a different thread. The OP never asked for the whole game of XI to be cloned. He asked for one component that they found fun.

Why people immediately jump to this conclusion is proof that Darwin was wrong...

FFXIV from day one should have been a 100% clone of what FFXI had to give to players just 100% diff and better and 10x better and FFXIV would have been a great game and added dungeon finder and many things from wow and other games and it would have been great.

Herpderp.

[Yves]

This game does not need fame or reputation grinds. MMOs are moving away from these mechanics because they aren't fun, and are nothing but artificial time sinks.

No challenge associated with fame/reputation systems, just boring and horrible repetition.


Herpderp.

How is cutting and pasting a snippet that you didn't quote relevant? Your quote was of the OP and not Zenaku. Your logic is "herpderp."

And if fame isn't your thing then no worries - I didn't like it myself. However, some people did.

[Morticous]

"QQ what if it takes effort to get? I hate effort!"

[Wolfie]

"QQ what if it takes effort to get? I hate effort!"

Nobody actually said that you dillweed.

[Morticous]

Nobody actually said that you dillweed.

"Because nothing says fun like wanting to unlock Summoner as your main job, but having to do some arbitrary garbage fame turn in quest. Accessibility is far more important than FFXI nostalgia or "FFXI challenges."

That's what this says to me. he doesn't like working to get his advanced classes, he wants them to be "accessible". The need for instant gratification is all I ever read on these forums... And that need is why everyone is soooo boooored and has all level 50s. Nobody wants to gain fame, quest for maps, walk anywhere or gain access to Aeythrite crystals themselves, questing for access to the airship is too hard and waiting more then 2 seconds for the airship is too long, competition for NMs is too hard, everything should be instanced so its easy for me to access, booo hooooooo.

All of this QQing is exactly what is keeping content out of this game.

[Wolfie]

"Because nothing says fun like wanting to unlock Summoner as your main job, but having to do some arbitrary garbage fame turn in quest. Accessibility is far more important than FFXI nostalgia or "FFXI challenges."

That's what this says to me. he doesn't like working to get his advanced classes, he wants them to be "accessible".

Almost nobody whined about job quests and AF, and they're accessible without being pushover bores. You don't actually understand the meaning behind anything. Farming some f**king yagudo or cabbage for a few days then standing in front of an NPC for half an hour to raise your fame does not require any serious effort and is not difficult. It's boring artificial content designed to increase your play time with minimal design and development. It's the bane of almost every MMO, and that's why almost every last MMO that's considered good has gotten rid of dumb s**t like that.

The need for instant gratification is all I ever read on these forums... And that need is why everyone is soooo boooored and has all level 50s.

There are a bunch of bored 50's because content isn't too difficult and because it's massively bland. The dungeons are all re-skins of outdoor zones with the same monsters and some boring bosses that can be cheesed with certain setups. There is no real challenge there; and it still won't exist if you arbitrarily add some random grinds before people can access the content.

All of this QQing is exactly what is keeping content out of this game.

Really? Because Yoshi has been pretty spot-on about adding content. All I see is a bunch of nostalgic petulant babies whining that FFXIV is not a direct clone of FFXI, ripe with outdated, frustrating, and boring mechanics and grinds.

[Morticous]

Almost nobody whined about job quests and AF, and they're accessible without being pushover bores. You don't actually understand the meaning behind anything. Farming some f**king yagudo or cabbage for a few days then standing in front of an NPC for half an hour to raise your fame does not require any serious effort and is not difficult. It's boring artificial content designed to increase your play time with minimal design and development. It's the bane of almost every MMO, and that's why almost every last MMO that's considered good has gotten rid of dumb s**t like that.



There are a bunch of bored 50's because content isn't too difficult and because it's massively bland. The dungeons are all re-skins of outdoor zones with the same monsters and some boring bosses that can be cheesed with certain setups. There is no real challenge there; and it still won't exist if you arbitrarily add some random grinds before people can access the content.




Really? Because Yoshi has been pretty spot-on about adding content. All I see is a bunch of nostalgic petulant babies whining that FFXIV is not a direct clone of FFXI, ripe with outdated, frustrating, and boring mechanics and grinds.

cool now GTFO. thanks

[Majidah]

Nobody actually said that you dillweed.

Yeah they did.

Because nothing says fun like wanting to unlock Summoner as your main job, but having to do some arbitrary garbage fame turn in quest

WHAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE REQUIRES FOR YOU TO DO THINGS! RUN FOR THE HILLS!