Remove Gender-Locked Class/Weapon Poses

[TheVigilant]

If anything, we should have the poses from the other classes as well. SAM should totally have access to the Gunbreaker pose.

Do you understand where the word Samurai comes from and why they look and pose the way they do first?
Should we ask for all poses being available to all jobs now?
And next should be all weapons and armors, is it?
Aren't you satisfied that you already have all jobs on the same character?

They have wisely chosen to design every job, race and gender with its own fantasy and multiplied their animations thoroughly, and I appreciate it very much.

[Edax]

Do you understand where the word Samurai comes from and why they look and pose the way they do first?
Should we ask for all poses being available to all jobs now?
And next should be all weapons and armors, is it?
Aren't you satisfied that you already have all jobs on the same character?

They have wisely chosen to design every job, race and gender with its own fantasy and multiplied their animations thoroughly, and I appreciate it very much.

REALLY? Putting a katana on the shoulder is just too much now? Sorry I asked...jeez

[Kolsykol]

REALLY? Putting a katana on the shoulder is just too much now? Sorry I asked...jeez

Not to mention that Samurai or Katana wielders in Japanese media that are more '' edgy '' like that already exist lol.
Gintoki in Gintama is still basically a Samurai and he carries his wooden sword on his shoulder like that quite a lot, a lot of characters do really.
And I mean is Zenos a Samurai? I think that's kinda pushing it really, Samurai as a class is more of a broad concept of what they are and their powers it's not something that we're super hard locked into lore and RP-wise.
It's not like the Japanese depict the Samurai '' accurately '' in Japanese media, which sorta gets into what the other guy arguing about fantasy and realism too.

Japanese fantasy is very different from Western fantasy, Western media is usually about holding up a mirror to real life and history while Japanese media is usually the exact opposite.
It's why Anime is so crazy and over the top by most Western standards, because Japanese fiction is more about how you can distort reality rather than reflect it.
You can see it in their classical art too, it's deliberately not realistic.
I see this a lot too when Westerners complain about '' realism '' in Japanese media, usually the comment sections fill up with Japanese people mocking Westerners and acting like we're children who can't tell the difference between real life and fantasy. In the West it often turns into a big circlejerk where people are nitpicking everything.

[Savagelf]

your miss the point entire you keep say fantasy but even fantasy game need action role caption to make the character life like. the devs still need use really life actors to caption action that your character and paid actors and actress aren't cheap remove such action may even make the character not even able make fight movements. when one remove something for character it freeze up the character for while to it become unfrozen remove gender basic action would freeze the entire character up for period because action can not act on. instead understand what i point out your ingore it because it doesn't fite with what you want because it also destory any ability for you desire to be reality

why do people never take time understand game devolopment how much going into devolop a video games how much money it cost and how remove part of that game damage the game in process

let me further say you a minority who demand this the majority want it in unless they like you the minority want it remove are here on forum complain about remove it and i don't see. let me ask is fair please you the minority over japenese players and usa player who want it in i don't see any them complain in fact i think many them are fine with why did other thread get bury because people want it in and don't want the minority that be you please. the first thing devolop have to please is the majority over minority that be you. in fact if yoshi p gave into your desire how players be come on here demand it be brought back alot more then you the minority accept it here stay stop complain about it.

[Anarnee]

Please! I've been asking for this for so long. I wouldn't care if they didn't lock iconic poses behind gender. It's bad enough that female Dragoons have stupid belly windows in their AF gear, but I also can't do the iconic dragoon pose? That's really dumb.

[Savagelf]

do simple google search on medival armor and greatsword i not use for realism more as guide post of what weapons would weigh in really life we look great sword use movies like lotr are those be use like spear not they not. through one argue the metal use for weapon are made to make weapon as light as feather, if we take JR tolkien ideal of mirthal and apply to weapon weight the weigh less. second people coming to play ffxiv to escape political correctness not have people tried drag into the games. the demand for remove gender action will be seen as political correctness. PC doesn't have help game or game rating. players don't want think take for them that often has bad reaction as my point your in minority basic fact i see no else support what you want. look yoshi p hesitate to jump in pc because he understand players don't want and that gamers aren't fond of pc and that has hurt game more them it has help them. the last of us 2 was great example as was star wars as was many other thing that tried drink the pc coldaid of this wow will be another example the more people go down that path the less profit game company make give you guys this small thing will mean someone else we demand something large later. this is were slippy slope begins and i think better not give into to it.

[Kolsykol]

do simple google search on medival armor and greatsword i not use for realism more as guide post of what weapons would weigh in really life we look great sword use movies like lotr are those be use like spear not they not. through one argue the metal use for weapon are made to make weapon as light as feather, if we take JR tolkien ideal of mirthal and apply to weapon weight the weigh less. second people coming to play ffxiv to escape political correctness not have people tried drag into the games. the demand for remove gender action will be seen as political correctness. PC doesn't have help game or game rating. players don't want think take for them that often has bad reaction as my point your in minority basic fact i see no else support what you want. look yoshi p hesitate to jump in pc because he understand players don't want and that gamers aren't fond of pc and that has hurt game more them it has help them. the last of us 2 was great example as was star wars as was many other thing that tried drink the pc coldaid of this wow will be another example the more people go down that path the less profit game company make give you guys this small thing will mean someone else we demand something large later. this is were slippy slope begins and i think better not give into to it.

No one is saying that they should be removed, people are saying that they'd like to be able to use all of them instead of half.
I don't see the problem with this, like I mentioned with the DRK for example the stances both communicate different personalities neither of which is gendered.
Greatswords used to be carried on the shoulder a lot of the time but the DRK male stance still looks edgier to me and like your character is brooding, while the female stance looks more knightly to me.
Both of which can work fine for either gender, it just depends on how you imagine your character.

Personally I don't imagine my DRK as being very knightly I imagine her as being edgier and with more of an emphasis on the '' dark '' in the '' dark knight ''.
So I would like to use the male one on my character, but someone else might want more of an emphasis on the '' knight '' part and they want the female stance.

Also, you were the one who brought up weight lol.

[Savagelf]

i brought up the weight argument because of out side knowledge i brought up actors because what may not feel comfort to female actress may feel comfortable to male. this work against have it be add i brought up the fact that it take great deal of money and time to add or remove which what some have argue find postion equal comfortable to female actress may be worth more. the dark knight more anti hero kind a hero that work for shadow use less honor mean to get want need done done. for example why not have female character put point on sword on ground rest on it or something i away open to new emotions i just not sure you really can apply the male to female without it look bad or have to called ifn actor to act those emotion out to make them look nature.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

i brought up the weight argument because of out side knowledge i brought up actors because what may not feel comfort to female actress may feel comfortable to male. this work against have it be add i brought up the fact that it take great deal of money and time to add or remove which what some have argue find postion equal comfortable to female actress may be worth more. the dark knight more anti hero kind a hero that work for shadow use less honor mean to get want need done done. for example why not have female character put point on sword on ground rest on it or something i away open to new emotions i just not sure you really can apply the male to female without it look bad or have to called ifn actor to act those emotion out to make them look nature.

Your argument falls utterly flat in a lot of ways.

The gist of it, if I'm reading this correctly, is that 'female models aren't capable of radiating a 'masculine' sense of strength without it looking bad'. Which is a very poor stance to take; especially since male characters are now capable of comfortably boasting traditionally feminine wedding attire and vice versa.

[WhiteArchmage]

Y'know, one of the easiest ways to discount the "but men are stronger" thing is to ACTUALLY look in the game. I went into Character Creation ready to write down the initial stats for Male and Female Characters and, you know what happened? They're the same.

A midlander Male has 22 STR, while a Midlander Female ALSO has 22 STR. A Highlander Male has 23, as well as a Highlander Female. I got as far as Duskwight before I got bored with going back and forth just for the same numbers.

The only thing in FFXIV that changes your character's starting attributes isn't Race+Gender. It's Race+Clan, but at least in XIV it means there's NO difference in Strenght between males and females (note: I went back to check, this applies even to AU'RA, which means the dainty little lizard girls can lift as much as their taller counterparts, Raen have an initial STR of 19, while Xaela 23). EVEN going by a "center of mass" argument, this is a FANTASY game, where no HUMAN should be able to do a FRIGGIN FRONTLFIP with a near 2 meter long hunk of metal in their arms and yet we do so easily.

And even then it's taking an extreme example for something that doesn't even need it: DRG's pose makes it so terribly diffficult to point your spear at the ground instead of leaning on it? Is a Y chromosome needed to hold chakrams differently? or knives? or a Celestial Globe that floats in mid-air anyway?

Just let us choose between the poses, or add more poses AND include the opposite sex's among them