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    Virnea Moonstrike
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    Can we please have a "kick" option during trials?

    I'm sick of people going immediately afk or jumping off the map during trials like the Limitless Blue right after combat started so the others do the trial for them and can't be kicked out.
    I know SE tries to avoid the toxicity and all, but being too soft also gives room for other sort of problems.
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    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    If you know they're doing it on purpose, you can try to report them. I'm sure that qualifies as griefing. You can kick in trials but only when you're not in combat, I believe. Naturally so people can't grief that way and kick someone 2 seconds before it ends.
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    Frizze Steeleblaze
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    So you can kick. I believe the rules are the same as for dungeons or raids. The instance must be at least 5 minutes old, and you cant be in combat. You also cant be rolling on loot, but in a trial that would mean you already won. That means typically the group needs to wipe once(or twice if theyre faster wipes) before they can kick the offender out. But if youre wiping then the extra help might be needed, so kick away.
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    Aoi Fukuhara
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    People would just abuse that and kick other players right before the trial ends so they helped through the fight and gained nothing at the end.
    Thats the downside i am seeing from your proposal. And what has already been said you can try to report them if they do it on purpose.
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorimachi87 View Post
    People would just abuse that and kick other players right before the trial ends so they helped through the fight and gained nothing at the end.
    Thats the downside i am seeing from your proposal. And what has already been said you can try to report them if they do it on purpose.
    This is exactly what the current restrictions are supposed to protect us from, but it has the side effect of making it often difficult to kick someone who legitimately needs to be kicked.

    What we really need is to be able to initiate a vote kick at any time and cast a vote at any time, regardless of combat or loot status, but have the kick not take effect until after combat ends and loot has been distributed. That way, if someone is being belligerent and preventing kicks by rushing into combat before everyone's ready or opening coffers before people can vote them out, we can still vote them out and have it take effect after the current combat. (As a side effect, to prevent people from being kicked after victory but before coffers are opened, this would require that coffers open immediately on pop instead of waiting for someone to click them).

    That way, the party would always be able to vote to remove someone who needs to be removed, but they could never abuse such a vote to prevent someone from getting completion credit or loot for a battle they participated in.
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    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    This is exactly what the current restrictions are supposed to protect us from, but it has the side effect of making it often difficult to kick someone who legitimately needs to be kicked.

    What we really need is to be able to initiate a vote kick at any time and cast a vote at any time, regardless of combat or loot status, but have the kick not take effect until after combat and loot have been distributed. That way, if someone is being belligerent and preventing kicks by rushing into combat before everyone's ready or opening loot chests before people can vote them out, we can still vote them out and have it take effect after the current combat. (As a side effect, this would require that coffers open immediately on pop instead of waiting for someone to click them so that people aren't removed after victory but before coffers are opened).
    I could definitely get behind that. Having the problematic person set to be kicked if the party wipes could scare them into smartening up and doing it properly, or you wipe again but at least they're gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virnea View Post
    I'm sick of people going immediately afk or jumping off the map during trials like the Limitless Blue right after combat started so the others do the trial for them and can't be kicked out.
    I know SE tries to avoid the toxicity and all, but being too soft also gives room for other sort of problems.
    I have literally never once seen this happen in the thousands of hours I have in this game.
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    I have been playing since 1.0 and I have never observed this behavior either. If someone is actually doing this a report will get them a warning or banned. Problem solved.
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    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    I have literally never once seen this happen in the thousands of hours I have in this game.
    And I've never seen an ostrich in person, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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    Ulala Ula
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    I have literally never once seen this happen in the thousands of hours I have in this game.
    Really? then you never get titan or Ravana or smt... Ive had such "ooopsiee's" so many times >_>
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